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I don’t think it’s the issue. Why the same still happens in countries where women are treated much better (having more privileges than men) like Poland where wo

I don’t think it’s the issue. Why the same still happens in countries where women are treated much better (having more privileges than men) like Poland where women don’t need to serve in military and retire 5 years early while having 10 year longer average lifespan? Birthrate in Poland is still declining

akudha 4y ago
Is declining birth rate really that bad? We are at 8 Billion humans already, how many more can the planet support, with all its environment and inequality problems? That said, birth date decline is not uniform around the world. And countries like Japan have bad immigration policies. With Japanese people living longer and longer, the ratio of younger to older is severely skewed. This is not a good situation to be in. Interesting times ahead
- julianlam 4y ago
  > Is declining birth rate really that bad? It is when your social security framework depends on an ever-growing population. Hey, I guess that makes it a pyramid scheme, doesn't it. Interesting.
  - throw_m239339 4y ago
    > Hey, I guess that makes it a pyramid scheme, doesn't it. Interesting. It is a pyramid scheme, but so is the rest of our debt fueled societies.
- nhchris 4y ago
  > countries like Japan have bad immigration policies Bad in the sense that they can have a shrinking population without ceding their country to foreigners, without sacrificing their nationhood on the altar of economy? As you say, we are at 8 billion already, how many more can the planet support? Well, think globally, act locally: how many can Japan support? Reducing population one country at a time is much easier than the global coordination problem of reducing it for the entire world. How can you at once be aware that the global population is already too large, yet demand each country have perpetual population growth, either through birthrate or immigration?
  - akudha 4y ago
    There are ways to support immigration without ceding one's country to foreigners. I am not suggesting they import 50 million people overnight. Japan has very little interest in allowing even modest amount of immigration. And Immigration won't fix all their population issues either. It is just one of the ways to handle the population crisis.
    - nhchris 4y ago
      > There are ways to support immigration without ceding one's country to foreigners. I am not suggesting they import 50 million people overnight. You're just suggesting they do it slowly. Salami slicing to the same conclusion.
      - ido 4y ago
        No it's not. People adapt to the host country and become people of that country. My kids were both born in Germany and are "German" in every way, even though both me and my wife are immigrants. Doing it gradually allows immigrants to subsume into society rather than create parallel societies.
        nhchris 4y ago
        That's blank-slatist pseudoscience that has been repeatedly and thoroughly debunked. What makes a German 'German' is as much, if not more so, about ancestry as it is about culture. After all, their culture has changed dramatically in the last e.g. 500 years.
        luckylion 4y ago
        Living in Germany, I'm sure you see that that's neither easy nor something that happens automatically. Parallel societies exist and are growing. Maybe it would be different if you didn't have large cultural groups who could form them? But then again, there aren't any Polish parallel societies in Germany (and ~2% immigrated or have an ancestor that came from Poland), and after a generation, you can only tell them apart from the rest of the population by their last name.
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- rowanG077 4y ago
  Japan is doing the only thing that is sustainable in the long run. Western countries keep growing. In large part due to immigration. That is not possible to sustain over long timescales. If Japan can make their economy work this way they are much better equipped for the future then any other country.
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  - jim-jim-jim 4y ago
    Yes, I agree. I said as much in my most recent comment on a different article. Was a little disappointed there was no further engagement there, because it was nuanced enough to invite discussion: anything but an anti-natal/anti-immigration screed. My long term bet is that Japan is ultimately in a better spot with a declining population and restrictive immigration, rather than Western societies who are poaching from the third world to account for their own shortfalls. I predict the end result from the latter case will be a lot of unhappiness for all parties involved.
- Qem 4y ago
  > Is declining birth rate really that bad? Declining is not bad. Declining too fast seems to be bad, because then society will go through a dire strait with too much people becoming elderly simultaneously, without enough young people around for proper support.
- jacooper 4y ago
  > Is declining birth rate really that bad? Yes, a shrinking society is bad.

akudha 4y ago

Is declining birth rate really that bad? We are at 8 Billion humans already, how many more can the planet support, with all its environment and inequality problems? That said, birth date decline is not uniform around the world. And countries like Japan have bad immigration policies. With Japanese people living longer and longer, the ratio of younger to older is severely skewed. This is not a good situation to be in. Interesting times ahead

julianlam 4y ago
> Is declining birth rate really that bad? It is when your social security framework depends on an ever-growing population. Hey, I guess that makes it a pyramid scheme, doesn't it. Interesting.
- throw_m239339 4y ago
  > Hey, I guess that makes it a pyramid scheme, doesn't it. Interesting. It is a pyramid scheme, but so is the rest of our debt fueled societies.
nhchris 4y ago
> countries like Japan have bad immigration policies Bad in the sense that they can have a shrinking population without ceding their country to foreigners, without sacrificing their nationhood on the altar of economy? As you say, we are at 8 billion already, how many more can the planet support? Well, think globally, act locally: how many can Japan support? Reducing population one country at a time is much easier than the global coordination problem of reducing it for the entire world. How can you at once be aware that the global population is already too large, yet demand each country have perpetual population growth, either through birthrate or immigration?
- akudha 4y ago
  There are ways to support immigration without ceding one's country to foreigners. I am not suggesting they import 50 million people overnight. Japan has very little interest in allowing even modest amount of immigration. And Immigration won't fix all their population issues either. It is just one of the ways to handle the population crisis.
  - nhchris 4y ago
    > There are ways to support immigration without ceding one's country to foreigners. I am not suggesting they import 50 million people overnight. You're just suggesting they do it slowly. Salami slicing to the same conclusion.
    - ido 4y ago
      No it's not. People adapt to the host country and become people of that country. My kids were both born in Germany and are "German" in every way, even though both me and my wife are immigrants. Doing it gradually allows immigrants to subsume into society rather than create parallel societies.
      - nhchris 4y ago
        That's blank-slatist pseudoscience that has been repeatedly and thoroughly debunked. What makes a German 'German' is as much, if not more so, about ancestry as it is about culture. After all, their culture has changed dramatically in the last e.g. 500 years.
      - luckylion 4y ago
        Living in Germany, I'm sure you see that that's neither easy nor something that happens automatically. Parallel societies exist and are growing. Maybe it would be different if you didn't have large cultural groups who could form them? But then again, there aren't any Polish parallel societies in Germany (and ~2% immigrated or have an ancestor that came from Poland), and after a generation, you can only tell them apart from the rest of the population by their last name.
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rowanG077 4y ago
Japan is doing the only thing that is sustainable in the long run. Western countries keep growing. In large part due to immigration. That is not possible to sustain over long timescales. If Japan can make their economy work this way they are much better equipped for the future then any other country.
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- jim-jim-jim 4y ago
  Yes, I agree. I said as much in my most recent comment on a different article. Was a little disappointed there was no further engagement there, because it was nuanced enough to invite discussion: anything but an anti-natal/anti-immigration screed. My long term bet is that Japan is ultimately in a better spot with a declining population and restrictive immigration, rather than Western societies who are poaching from the third world to account for their own shortfalls. I predict the end result from the latter case will be a lot of unhappiness for all parties involved.
Qem 4y ago
> Is declining birth rate really that bad? Declining is not bad. Declining too fast seems to be bad, because then society will go through a dire strait with too much people becoming elderly simultaneously, without enough young people around for proper support.
jacooper 4y ago
> Is declining birth rate really that bad? Yes, a shrinking society is bad.