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I didn't say the population average was 1.1%. I said 1.1% of covid cases. I even provided a link to my source. The only one arguing with the well studied is yo

I didn't say the population average was 1.1%. I said 1.1% of covid cases. I even provided a link to my source. The only one arguing with the well studied is you.

alchemist1e9 4y ago
> The frequency of death from covid is somewhere in the range of 1000-2000 in 100,000 people. That’s you. You imply IFR and now admit it is at least 5-10x lower. You are not arguing in good faith.
- rybosworld 4y ago
  I stand by what I originally said. It seems like you are misinterpreting it somewhere along the line but what I said is backed by fact. Again, check the source I linked. It is verifiably true that the death rate of covid is 1.1% in the U.S. Do you have a different definition of "death rate"? > now admit it is at least 5-10x lower Never did I say anything to this effect. So who is really arguing in bad faith?
  - alchemist1e9 4y ago
    Come on you don’t even know the definition of IFR? Seriously. You linked to CFR data yet frame it as IFR, this is like an amateur level discussion if we are back to discussion IFR and CFR. I don’t even know where to start if that is where we are at.
    - cf141q5325 4y ago
      >I don’t even know where to start if that is where we are at. I have been thinking about this a bit, i believe the pandemic (and this conversation) has been a great example for the general limits of distributed sensemaking and how it breaks down at communicating (and capsuling) all the relevant aspects and perspectives to a topic or statement. I think in the end everyone has their map of the problem and we are failing (due to the limited bandwith of speech and text among others) at comparing why they differ where. Be it incomplete data, overlooking important perspectives or simply cognitive biases/ ego induced (not wanting to be wrong, tribalism...) errors. Would you agree?
      - alchemist1e9 4y ago
        I definitely agree. In general people have very poor intuition around risks and orders of magnitude. With Covid this is truly extreme differences in risk, under 18 with IFR of 20 per 1M but over 65 with 90,000 per 1M. 4,500x different risk.

I didn't say the population average was 1.1%. I said 1.1% of covid cases. I even provided a link to my source. The only one arguing with the well studied is you.

alchemist1e9 4y ago

> The frequency of death from covid is somewhere in the range of 1000-2000 in 100,000 people. That’s you. You imply IFR and now admit it is at least 5-10x lower. You are not arguing in good faith.

rybosworld 4y ago
I stand by what I originally said. It seems like you are misinterpreting it somewhere along the line but what I said is backed by fact. Again, check the source I linked. It is verifiably true that the death rate of covid is 1.1% in the U.S. Do you have a different definition of "death rate"? > now admit it is at least 5-10x lower Never did I say anything to this effect. So who is really arguing in bad faith?
- alchemist1e9 4y ago
  Come on you don’t even know the definition of IFR? Seriously. You linked to CFR data yet frame it as IFR, this is like an amateur level discussion if we are back to discussion IFR and CFR. I don’t even know where to start if that is where we are at.
  - cf141q5325 4y ago
    >I don’t even know where to start if that is where we are at. I have been thinking about this a bit, i believe the pandemic (and this conversation) has been a great example for the general limits of distributed sensemaking and how it breaks down at communicating (and capsuling) all the relevant aspects and perspectives to a topic or statement. I think in the end everyone has their map of the problem and we are failing (due to the limited bandwith of speech and text among others) at comparing why they differ where. Be it incomplete data, overlooking important perspectives or simply cognitive biases/ ego induced (not wanting to be wrong, tribalism...) errors. Would you agree?
    - alchemist1e9 4y ago
      I definitely agree. In general people have very poor intuition around risks and orders of magnitude. With Covid this is truly extreme differences in risk, under 18 with IFR of 20 per 1M but over 65 with 90,000 per 1M. 4,500x different risk.