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‘Excuuuuse me, Princess ’: An oral history of The Legend of Zelda cartoon
- yuppie_scum 4y agoThat catchphrase has been stuck in my head for 35 years
- metadat 4y agoI pity da fool. I am the victim of similar phenomena from other 90's games like The Legend of Kyrandia, Indiana Jones and Thw Temple of Doom, Myst, Power Pete, MathBlaster, ShufflePuck Cafe, and Sim City v1.0, Marathon, and movies like Dumb and Dumber, Ace Ventura: Pet Detective, National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation, and CKY2K. I enjoyed it at the time but given the current political climate cannot recommend to others. I continue to hesitantly and remorsefully enjoy, an indemnible stain on my soul.
- edgyquant 4y agoNot sure what political climate has to do with anything here?
- metadat 4y agoSome of the jokes and themes therein are now widely considered racist, forbidden, or otherwise *-ist, and were founded on now banned or socially unacceptable concepts, assumptions, or thoughts. Obvious cases are the transphobia portrayed at the end of Ace Venture: Pet Detective when Jim Carey's character reacted to the Chief of Poice having taken measures to conceal her physical gender identity, or the manipulating a blind child into buying a dead bird with it's head duct taped to the neck in Dumb and Dumber. It comes down to respecting others and I get that. I consider myself a supporter of all well-intentioned human beings and intelligent species and entities at large, yet I still can't stop laughing about all kinds of immature stuff, including when myself or my spouse step in dog crap. I'm sensitive but generally have tended towards trying to focus on self-acceptance and surrounding myself with people who are understanding but also won't put up with too much. What should I do? Suggestions welcome.
- bitwize 4y agoYou're doing the right thing. Some of the humor you enjoyed is dated, based on outdated ideas and stereotypes that perpetuate marginalization, othering, and dehumanization of certain groups and we should limit young people's exposure to that kind of material and, at a minimum, contextualize it for adults. And hey, maybe Ace Ventura needs to permanently go into the Warner Bros. Water Tower like Song of the South went permanently into the Disney Vault. One of my favorite cartoon shows (and the source of the technical term "yak shaving"), The Ren and Stimpy Show, was created by an emotional abuser who eventually became a rapist of underage girls. I cannot really enjoy the show the same way anymore, in light of this knowledge. It's not "cancel culture", it's a natural reaction to material that, in retrospect, is disrespectful or was created by horrid people.
- lotsoweiners 4y agoMeh…I have Ace Ventura on my Plex and plan to show it to my 10 year old in a year or so. People can still enjoy things that weirdos on the internet consider “outdated”.
- edgyquant 4y agoNo he isnt. Keeping quiet when you think the pushed narrative is wrong is not the right thing. There is not a thing wrong with Ace Venture and if you think that’s “violent” then you are the problem not Ace Ventura. What the OP should do is push back against comments like yours who equate jokes we all laughed at with dehumanization. They were jokes that informed our humanity.
- dec0dedab0de 4y agoThey all have lines that we're repeated quite a bit on the playground, but would be considered offensive by today's standards.
- smoldesu 4y agoFor me, it was: - Hotel Mario "No" Sound (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hwz7YN1AQmQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hwz7YN1AQmQ) Honorable mentions include - Sleepy Mega Man Dub (https://youtu.be/pmMispgpUs0 https://youtu.be/pmMispgpUs0) - Me? Gongaga (https://youtu.be/kKnkhAQxLKI https://youtu.be/kKnkhAQxLKI) - Hotel Mario "All Toasters Toast Toast" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv7jvyslRek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv7jvyslRek)
- metadat 4y agoAll combined, this is less than 60s of total content. What was the overarching takeaway for you?
- satellites 4y agoI think they were just mentioning some catchphrases that got stuck in their head at the time, not presenting a grand theory of everything based on cartoons.
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- themitigating 4y agoThe unified frame theory
- peishang 4y agoFor me it's gotta be all the ridiculously over the top VAs in the CD-I Zelda games. "I can't wait to bomb some dodongos!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRDO3l1Eiuk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRDO3l1Eiuk
- sircastor 4y agoI recently watched the first few minutes of the first episode and was a bit surprised with Links behavior. I appreciate that the show was a product of its time, but the bad behavior of the game’s protagonist was appalling. Less than 4 minutes in And he’s an unrepentant peeping Tom.
- abledon 4y agoIf it was 2022, Link is cancelled on Twitter after 2 weeks haha
- themitigating 4y ago"Boys will be boys"
- jahlove 4y agoYou're not exagerating. Lordy. https://youtu.be/OE4VkfYaP1w https://youtu.be/OE4VkfYaP1w
- tarotuser 4y agoThe opening scene is Link in a parapet above the princess. He comes out of the landing, gawking at the princess catcalling whistling, and then saying "Looking good princess, 'specially from this angle", with the direct implication he's able to see her breasts. A fairy shows up with some clothing to the princess, saying "i told you princess, you should have put on a robe". And this was sold as a kids show. (at least the bevis and butthead overdub was well, more on point, for both the content AND the target audience.)
- peoplefromibiza 4y agoa few observations on this topic, that recently have come up a lot. Sorry if it's gonna be a bit long. First of all, a bit of context. Maybe people forgot what the 80s where like, especially late 80s, especially in USA, maybe they forgot what being kids was like, maybe they were not even born when these things aired. At the times trends for people were not dictated by young girls half naked on tik tok, but by "the American dream" that in the 80s was to be a yuppie, that the "manual" said were like this https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71D2rGrfMBL.jpg https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71D2rGrfMBL.jpg but they were actually like this in reality https://e.snmc.io/i/300/w/18fff75069e5b3ecfc6d558e0c59acd0/5938834 https://e.snmc.io/i/300/w/18fff75069e5b3ecfc6d558e0c59acd0/5... "Lunch is for wimps." As you can see, yuppies were successful people who played tennis, yuppie women were blonde, of course, usually they stayed home anyway, because their husbands made a ton of money, thanks to cocaine. That was the culture US projected back then, that's why people of my generation reject the idea that USA are culturally relevant, except for punk, that was the last really interesting subculture that the US produced, but that's another story for another time. If you don't believe it, here it is "Das Yuppie handbuch", German edition. https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71cli3Z17VL.jpg https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71cli3Z17VL.jpg Secondly, the shows were not for kids, the shows audience were kids parents, in this case their dads or older brothers, who represented almost entirely the demographic of people who knew what Zelda was and who she was and that no, Zelda's not the guy on the covert art of the videogame box. So it reflected an US centric male culture, like the fact that Mario is Italian because Japanese are (and were even more at the time) kinda obsessed with Italy, but in USA, being an Italian plumber, they made him sound like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eutK6k9D-Yk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eutK6k9D-Yk He starts saying "Hey paesano" which is an idiomatic phrase mainly used in the South of Italy, that nobody uses anymore since a long time ago and those who did where simply mocking very old ways. I haven't heard it since I was a kid, in the late 70s. Of course Mario being Italian with black moustache must be from Naples, right? and he obviously knows how to make a pizza, right? every Italian know how, even if they are plumbers. This basically to say that in USA those products were a reflection of the culture people were living in, men were assholes, Italians were Italo-Americans not real Italians, Chinese lived in Chinatowns and Japanese took pictures of everything. The good news is, kids don't get the references. As an example, my nephew she's 4 years old and she watches Masha and the Bear, which is a Russian product BTW. There's an episode where Bear encounters a female bear and wants to know her. He takes some flowers and a box of chocolates and goes to introduce himself. While he's going Masha realizes that Bear has chocolates and wants to eat them so she tries every trick on the book and in the end she eats them all and Bear is left with no more chocolates to bring to his romantic interest. Long story short: what my nephew got is that you don't ever eat all the chocolates, because before eating the last one you should ask if someone else wants it, because it's good manners. She did not understand that it's a metaphor of the difficulty of having a romantic life for parents with kids, especially single parents. That's something we get, because we are adult and have already gone through it or witnessed it in other's people lives.
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- peanuty1 4y agoWhat about Twilight Princess on GameCube?
- Dracophoenix 4y agoWhat do you mean by "weeb" culture?
- Pigalowda 4y agosexualization of cartoon characters, lolis, and “kawaii”. There’s also animal ears and tails that are “sexy” in weeb culture.
- djur 4y agoI don't remember anything like that in Breath of the Wild.
- echelon 4y agoGerudo Link?
- Pigalowda 4y agoThere’s a couple loli in BoTW. The worst one is Purah who is supposedly 1,000 years old but in a child’s body. She wears a mini skirt and thigh high stockings There’s Mipha as well and then lady Riju. I personally don’t care because i really enjoyed BoTW. Some people do though.
- djur 4y agoI don't really see what you're saying re: Purah, but I'll take your word for it. Mipha and Riju are both adults, though, aren't they? If it's just about their designs, Riju has the same basic design that Gerudo have had since Ocarina of Time, and as for Mipha, I'll just link to Princess Ruto's concept art: https://zelda.fandom.com/wiki/Princess_Ruto https://zelda.fandom.com/wiki/Princess_Ruto
- bitwize 4y agoInteresting to know it was based partially on Zelda II. Maybe that's where the constant sexual harassment came from: at the conclusion of Zelda II Link and Zelda are seen to embrace (behind a nearly closed curtain).
- 3np 4y agoJohn Grusd (Director, The Legend of Zelda): > Nintendo wanted us to base the show on the new game [Zelda 2: The Adventure of Link], because, you know, it’s great marketing. What they did was give me the Japanese version of the game, because it wasn’t out here yet. I didn’t know anything about the game when I started. I’d never played them. I wasn’t a gamer or anything. That’s how I learned how the characters move, the sound effects, the music. I got to be able to do the games all the way through pretty quickly, as a matter of fact, because I knew all the shortcuts. I could get through both of them in less than two minutes, probably. It’s pretty fast. This should probably be two hours? Which is still pretty impressive. Speed running records for the two combined would be just over 1h.
- msla 4y ago"The Legend of Beavis": Beavis and Butthead audio dubbed onto an episode of The Legend of Zelda cartoon: https://archive.org/details/the-legend-of-beavis https://archive.org/details/the-legend-of-beavis
- adzm 4y agoThis is truly epic
- omginternets 4y agoI love how you can see Beavis in the mirror. This is incredible.
- OnionBlender 4y agoI was going to be disappointed if this wasn't mentioned in this thread.
- the_only_law 4y agoOh man I was thinking of this when I saw the thread, but I just remembered a vague parody, not many details.
- KVFinn 4y agoI had only ever seen the Beavis version. "Looking good princess, especially from this angle!" is the original line. Beavis version is, "Nice boobs, honey!" I assumed the Beavis redub was a subversion of the original cartoon but it's basically just the same. Wild.
- madrox 4y agoMy only memory of watching this show on TV as a child is of how utterly unheroic Link was, and that bothered me as someone who played the games. I have no nostalgia for this show, and I’m glad it didn’t do better. If it did and this became Link’s main characterization I don’t think I would’ve touched another Zelda game.
- OnionBlender 4y agoI loathed this show as a kid. Link was such an arrogant ass. The complete opposite I imaged Link would be after playing Zelda 1 and 2.
- nsxwolf 4y agoI was a Sega kid so I didn’t have any notions of how Link should be. I just thought it was funny that he was such a dick.
- mdriley 4y agosee also: an empirical analysis of how many "u"s the Internet thinks are in "excuuuuuse me, princess", by Ryan North (of Dinosaur Comics and other fine literature) https://qwantz.livejournal.com/112122.html https://qwantz.livejournal.com/112122.html