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Ah yes - gray's law [1] applies here: "Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice." Fact remains that a system wherein this is po

by r00fus 4y ago

Ah yes - gray's law [1] applies here: "Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice." Fact remains that a system wherein this is possible is a system that has been exploited. Marshaling the forces to fix the system is the preferred outcome, unless you want the system to remain exploited (ie, you benefit from the situation). [1] http://wikidumper.blogspot.com/2007/07/greys-law.html http://wikidumper.blogspot.com/2007/07/greys-law.html

cratermoon 4y ago
I think the comment you're replying to is trying to say something about the management being compromised, deliberately hiring incompetent people and being lax about controls, and wanting the failures to happen for some unspecified conspiratorial reason. That merely bumps the question up another level, it's a question of malice or incompetence. Conspiracy theories tend to end up invoking some shadowy malicious cabal at the highest levels, above even leaders of nation-states, to explain just plain old human nature.
- goodSteveramos 4y ago
  When a society is run by people who care only for their own small wealthy in-group and nothing for the common good all kinds of incompetence is bound to ensue. It doesn't take a tin foil hat to see how that has happened to America.
  - robocat 4y ago
    > When a society is run by people I tend to find that idea is adjacent to conspiracy thinking. If society is being “run” by anybody then either (a) they could do a much better job of it for themselves, or (b) they are very good at hiding. “Powerful” people seem to often have the same problems as the rest of us: they seem to be on the receiving end of systemic issues they don’t understand as much as any of us, they often work long hours, they still get tragic family issues and chronic health issues.
    - goodSteveramos 4y ago
      Do you think Paul Singer is good at hiding? https://thefederalist.com/2019/12/05/tucker-carlsons-critique-of-paul-singer-is-part-of-the-reckoning-underway-in-america/ https://thefederalist.com/2019/12/05/tucker-carlsons-critiqu... Yes the wealthy mega-donors in American politics could absolutely do better by American workers than they are. How do these people being old and having health problems excuse their treatment of American workers?
  - cratermoon 4y ago
    True, but not worthy of conspiracy-theory levels of speculation.

by r00fus 4y ago

cratermoon 4y ago

I think the comment you're replying to is trying to say something about the management being compromised, deliberately hiring incompetent people and being lax about controls, and wanting the failures to happen for some unspecified conspiratorial reason. That merely bumps the question up another level, it's a question of malice or incompetence. Conspiracy theories tend to end up invoking some shadowy malicious cabal at the highest levels, above even leaders of nation-states, to explain just plain old human nature.

goodSteveramos 4y ago
When a society is run by people who care only for their own small wealthy in-group and nothing for the common good all kinds of incompetence is bound to ensue. It doesn't take a tin foil hat to see how that has happened to America.
- robocat 4y ago
  > When a society is run by people I tend to find that idea is adjacent to conspiracy thinking. If society is being “run” by anybody then either (a) they could do a much better job of it for themselves, or (b) they are very good at hiding. “Powerful” people seem to often have the same problems as the rest of us: they seem to be on the receiving end of systemic issues they don’t understand as much as any of us, they often work long hours, they still get tragic family issues and chronic health issues.
  - goodSteveramos 4y ago
    Do you think Paul Singer is good at hiding? https://thefederalist.com/2019/12/05/tucker-carlsons-critique-of-paul-singer-is-part-of-the-reckoning-underway-in-america/ https://thefederalist.com/2019/12/05/tucker-carlsons-critiqu... Yes the wealthy mega-donors in American politics could absolutely do better by American workers than they are. How do these people being old and having health problems excuse their treatment of American workers?
- cratermoon 4y ago
  True, but not worthy of conspiracy-theory levels of speculation.