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This is pretty cool, it's like a Python and *nix version of Exact Audio Copy (EAC) for Windows. I enjoy the ritual of perfectly ripping a CD. I can spend an hou

This is pretty cool, it's like a Python and *nix version of Exact Audio Copy (EAC) for Windows. I enjoy the ritual of perfectly ripping a CD. I can spend an hour or two scanning the artwork, verifying the track names, performing the rip, losslessly compressing (I prefer FLAC), generating .cue files, checksuming everything, then sitting down to experience the best possible digital copy of a physical item I can self produce.

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kreetx 4y ago
Brings back similar memories for me as well :) I guess it's great to have a *nix tool for the rare occasion of ripping a CD.
thriftwy 4y ago
Linux has cdparanoia for decades now, which doea all that stuff and I'm not sure what's new about Whipper.
- medler 4y ago
  Whipper uses cdparanoia under the hood, but it adds features like metadata fetching, gap detection, and so forth. More details here: https://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=Whipper https://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=Whipper
  - thriftwy 4y ago
    I remember tools such as Asunder and grip adding passable GUIs around cdparanoia.
Etheryte 4y ago
Always makes me sad remembering what was lost when What.CD went offline.
- ThePowerOfFuet 4y ago
  Oink.
- JTon 4y ago
  And Oink before it. But the torch has been passed to the next community, not all has been lost
  - teawrecks 4y ago
    Woah Oink. I had forgotten what it was called, but I learned so much about digital quality and was exposed to so much new music that I still listen to today.
  - giardia 4y ago
    The pink palace! I miss it.
  - Etheryte 4y ago
    While not all has been lost, I strongly feel that every time the community migrates from one platform to another, the long tail of small time users gets cut off. Ties are severed, people fall out of reach, etc. I initially joined a few sites that popped up after What, but since I didn't find any of the users there that I used to talk to regularly, I don't visit much ever anymore.
    - jorvi 4y ago
      Not only that, it’s almost a certainty that not every little rarity alike to ‘bootleg of local ska band from the 80s that never released an album’ makes the jump each time. Of course, those are mostly oddities that virtually no one cares about in a sonic sense, but it’s still a piece of musical history. Kind of makes me wish whoever sued what.cd offered them a sort of clemency deal: keep the site up until everything has been archived by a legit third party (that wouldn’t share it, but so everything has at least been preserved), then shut it down. Instead they burned down the musical library of Alexandria..
  - filmgirlcw 4y ago
jancsika 4y ago
For your setup-- if I do original CD -> accrual's rip -> burned CD, does burned CD == original CD for all values of original CD? I'm mostly thinking of those interstitial lead-in thingies on live and concept albums. E.g., if you let a CD play from track 1 to track 2, there may be 5 seconds of crowd noise leading in to track 2. CD players would show this as track 2 at timing "-5", then count down to zero to get to the actual beginning of track 2. If the user skipped directly to track two, this interstitial thingy wouldn't be played. Edit: wording Also: same question for what.cd ripping process. IIRC they broke the tracks down into different files.
- saba2008 4y ago
  Single file + CUE sheet solves lead-in thingie problem, by storing both timestamps (time when player should start showing 'Track 2', and time which servers as zero for track-relative timestamps) It pretty much mirrors actual CD structure of TOC (containing all necessary timestamps and metadata) and continuous sequence of frames with audio data
  - kevin_thibedeau 4y ago
    Cdrdao preserves all lead-in data for rips in DAO mode. I split tracks to separate files with lead-in of the following track included at the end. Combined with Lame's gapless encoding support you can have seamless playback of CDs that blend tracks.
- joe-user 4y ago
  > For your setup-- if I do original CD -> accrual's rip -> burned CD, does burned CD == original CD for all values of original CD? I was curious about this as well, and the answer was "no". I meticulously followed EAC setup guides for three drives in EAC, I used the recommended gap settings, the results were completely verified by AccurateRip, I was storing the results as a CUE sheet and single WAVE file, all drives would produce the same file, I was using EAC to burn the CUE sheet and WAVE file back to new Verbatim CD-Rs, re-ripping was done with the same setup in EAC, and the files still didn't match. I've been meaning to dig deeper and compare the files in binary, but haven't gotten around to it.
SloopJon 4y ago
Years ago, I had most of my music ripped to AAC in iTunes, easily accessible, browsable, and shuffleable. I now rip each of my CDs to a single FLAC and cue sheet (using XLD on Mac), on the theory that it's the most accurate way to archive a disc. However, I haven't found anything that offers the same accessibility to such a collection as iTunes did. I look through folders, and drag a few cue sheets at a time into Foobar 2000. Any tips?
- bombcar 4y ago
  Hard drive space is cheap. Do both.
  - jcollins1991 4y ago
    hate to say, but this is my way... EAC to flac and leave it on a NAS, then XLD to apple lossless on my macbook and sync to my iPhone... working great for me so far
- xprueg 4y ago
  I found Swinsian[1] after I ditched iTunes, It works quite good and I’m very happy with it. While I rip all tracks separately the FAQ states: „Swinsian also supports albums ripped as a single file together with a cue file, and FLAC, Ogg Vorbis and WavPack files with embedded cue information„. There is a free trial, maybe this works for you. [1] https://swinsian.com/ https://swinsian.com/
  - SloopJon 4y ago
    Very promising: supports macOS 10.8 and later, last updated in 2021, and it read my whole CD collection in just a couple of minutes. Thank you for the suggestion.
    - extra88 4y ago
      I wonder if it's still being developed. It's concerning that it's still an Intel-only build instead of a Universal build that can run natively on Apple Silicon hardware.
dsr_ 4y ago
I think it's great when the artists sell me a complete FLAC of their album, so I don't need to do any of that. Otherwise, I prefer methods that get me CD->FLAC transfers in a few minutes.
xen2xen1 4y ago
I no longer buy CD's, but all that we have in the house have been converted to FLAC and put in the cloud / multiple places.
gjsman-1000 4y ago
I suggest looking, maybe, at ALAC as well, even though it is generally slept on. It is open source now just like FLAC, and actually has built-in support in Windows and many Linux music players despite being an Apple format, making it somewhat more universally compatible than FLAC (which isn’t supported in iOS or macOS).
- opan 4y ago
  In my school days I was able to add FLAC support to an iPod Touch 4th gen with a quick Cydia module(?) download. I'm skeptical of your claim that macOS doesn't support FLAC. I'm sure mpv and other programs can play it fine. Do you just mean support in the default-installed macOS software? That seems like pretty limiting criteria. I wouldn't expect something like Windows Media Player to cover all that much either.
  - gjsman-1000 4y ago
    I’m talking about stock macOS, yes. > something like Windows Media Player to cover all that much either Well, in Windows 11, Windows Media Player does support ALAC. Heck, it will even rip your CDs and encode them in ALAC.
jszymborski 4y ago
Just in case anyone was wondering, EAC works without a hitch with WINE on Linux.
- Gigachad 4y ago
  It’s also the only tool that private torrent trackers will accept. It’s been rigorously tested and accepted to be pretty much perfect, complete software.
  - anomie31 4y ago
    Orpheus will rate appropriate XLD and whipper logs as 100% fwiw Also I could be wrong, but don't most trackers still accept rips that they consider inferior, but then they could be trumped by someone else that made an EAC rip?
    - roboyoshi 4y ago
      From my experience an XLD rip can be equal to an EAC rip in terms of rating on the site (RED and OPS). I've always been ripping this way and always had a perfect score; It's not easy though. There is a lot of nuances that influence the score, so you need to do a lot of reading and checking.
- from 4y ago
  Highly recommended for anyone using EAC (from a mirror of the what.cd wiki): https://web.archive.org/web/20161123061955/http://whatcdinfo.000webhostapp.com/EACSetup.html https://web.archive.org/web/20161123061955/http://whatcdinfo..., https://web.archive.org/web/20161123062018/http://whatcdinfo.000webhostapp.com/EACRip.html https://web.archive.org/web/20161123062018/http://whatcdinfo... Or XLD: https://web.archive.org/web/20161123023617/http://whatcdinfo.000webhostapp.com/XLD.html https://web.archive.org/web/20161123023617/http://whatcdinfo...
TacticalCoder 4y ago
> This is pretty cool, it's like a Python and * nix version of Exact Audio Copy (EAC) for Windows. And it's now packaged with many Linux distro. At some point it wasn't packaged with Debian and I simply couldn't get it to build so... For a while I ran Fedora on an old PC only to get whipper! Nowadays whipper* ships on even Debian / Devuan so life is good.
ataylor32 4y ago
Do you do anything to handle "hidden tracks" (i.e. the last track has some audio, then some silence, and then some more audio)?
heresie-dabord 4y ago
Storage is cheap, hurray! Another solution: you can archive a music CD using cdrdao and play the result using mplayer. # $1 = output file # /dev/sr0 is assumed cdrdao disk-info cdrdao read-cd --with-cddb --device /dev/sr0 --read-raw --datafile $1.cdrdao.bin $1.toc dd conv=swab if=$1.cdrdao.bin of=$1.bin # To play the BIN: mplayer -demuxer rawaudio BIN" I'm not an "audiophile" (perfectionist seeker of equipment) but I enjoy listening to classical and (some) jazz compositions and performances as they were conceived, not as "tracks".

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kreetx 4y ago

Brings back similar memories for me as well :) I guess it's great to have a *nix tool for the rare occasion of ripping a CD.

thriftwy 4y ago

Linux has cdparanoia for decades now, which doea all that stuff and I'm not sure what's new about Whipper.

medler 4y ago
Whipper uses cdparanoia under the hood, but it adds features like metadata fetching, gap detection, and so forth. More details here: https://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=Whipper https://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=Whipper
- thriftwy 4y ago
  I remember tools such as Asunder and grip adding passable GUIs around cdparanoia.

Etheryte 4y ago

Always makes me sad remembering what was lost when What.CD went offline.

ThePowerOfFuet 4y ago
Oink.
JTon 4y ago
And Oink before it. But the torch has been passed to the next community, not all has been lost
- teawrecks 4y ago
  Woah Oink. I had forgotten what it was called, but I learned so much about digital quality and was exposed to so much new music that I still listen to today.
- giardia 4y ago
  The pink palace! I miss it.
- Etheryte 4y ago
  While not all has been lost, I strongly feel that every time the community migrates from one platform to another, the long tail of small time users gets cut off. Ties are severed, people fall out of reach, etc. I initially joined a few sites that popped up after What, but since I didn't find any of the users there that I used to talk to regularly, I don't visit much ever anymore.
  - jorvi 4y ago
    Not only that, it’s almost a certainty that not every little rarity alike to ‘bootleg of local ska band from the 80s that never released an album’ makes the jump each time. Of course, those are mostly oddities that virtually no one cares about in a sonic sense, but it’s still a piece of musical history. Kind of makes me wish whoever sued what.cd offered them a sort of clemency deal: keep the site up until everything has been archived by a legit third party (that wouldn’t share it, but so everything has at least been preserved), then shut it down. Instead they burned down the musical library of Alexandria..
- filmgirlcw 4y ago

jancsika 4y ago

For your setup-- if I do original CD -> accrual's rip -> burned CD, does burned CD == original CD for all values of original CD? I'm mostly thinking of those interstitial lead-in thingies on live and concept albums. E.g., if you let a CD play from track 1 to track 2, there may be 5 seconds of crowd noise leading in to track 2. CD players would show this as track 2 at timing "-5", then count down to zero to get to the actual beginning of track 2. If the user skipped directly to track two, this interstitial thingy wouldn't be played. Edit: wording Also: same question for what.cd ripping process. IIRC they broke the tracks down into different files.

saba2008 4y ago
Single file + CUE sheet solves lead-in thingie problem, by storing both timestamps (time when player should start showing 'Track 2', and time which servers as zero for track-relative timestamps) It pretty much mirrors actual CD structure of TOC (containing all necessary timestamps and metadata) and continuous sequence of frames with audio data
- kevin_thibedeau 4y ago
  Cdrdao preserves all lead-in data for rips in DAO mode. I split tracks to separate files with lead-in of the following track included at the end. Combined with Lame's gapless encoding support you can have seamless playback of CDs that blend tracks.
joe-user 4y ago
> For your setup-- if I do original CD -> accrual's rip -> burned CD, does burned CD == original CD for all values of original CD? I was curious about this as well, and the answer was "no". I meticulously followed EAC setup guides for three drives in EAC, I used the recommended gap settings, the results were completely verified by AccurateRip, I was storing the results as a CUE sheet and single WAVE file, all drives would produce the same file, I was using EAC to burn the CUE sheet and WAVE file back to new Verbatim CD-Rs, re-ripping was done with the same setup in EAC, and the files still didn't match. I've been meaning to dig deeper and compare the files in binary, but haven't gotten around to it.

SloopJon 4y ago

Years ago, I had most of my music ripped to AAC in iTunes, easily accessible, browsable, and shuffleable. I now rip each of my CDs to a single FLAC and cue sheet (using XLD on Mac), on the theory that it's the most accurate way to archive a disc. However, I haven't found anything that offers the same accessibility to such a collection as iTunes did. I look through folders, and drag a few cue sheets at a time into Foobar 2000. Any tips?

bombcar 4y ago
Hard drive space is cheap. Do both.
- jcollins1991 4y ago
  hate to say, but this is my way... EAC to flac and leave it on a NAS, then XLD to apple lossless on my macbook and sync to my iPhone... working great for me so far
xprueg 4y ago
I found Swinsian[1] after I ditched iTunes, It works quite good and I’m very happy with it. While I rip all tracks separately the FAQ states: „Swinsian also supports albums ripped as a single file together with a cue file, and FLAC, Ogg Vorbis and WavPack files with embedded cue information„. There is a free trial, maybe this works for you. [1] https://swinsian.com/ https://swinsian.com/
- SloopJon 4y ago
  Very promising: supports macOS 10.8 and later, last updated in 2021, and it read my whole CD collection in just a couple of minutes. Thank you for the suggestion.
  - extra88 4y ago
    I wonder if it's still being developed. It's concerning that it's still an Intel-only build instead of a Universal build that can run natively on Apple Silicon hardware.

dsr_ 4y ago

I think it's great when the artists sell me a complete FLAC of their album, so I don't need to do any of that. Otherwise, I prefer methods that get me CD->FLAC transfers in a few minutes.

xen2xen1 4y ago

I no longer buy CD's, but all that we have in the house have been converted to FLAC and put in the cloud / multiple places.

gjsman-1000 4y ago

I suggest looking, maybe, at ALAC as well, even though it is generally slept on. It is open source now just like FLAC, and actually has built-in support in Windows and many Linux music players despite being an Apple format, making it somewhat more universally compatible than FLAC (which isn’t supported in iOS or macOS).

opan 4y ago
In my school days I was able to add FLAC support to an iPod Touch 4th gen with a quick Cydia module(?) download. I'm skeptical of your claim that macOS doesn't support FLAC. I'm sure mpv and other programs can play it fine. Do you just mean support in the default-installed macOS software? That seems like pretty limiting criteria. I wouldn't expect something like Windows Media Player to cover all that much either.
- gjsman-1000 4y ago
  I’m talking about stock macOS, yes. > something like Windows Media Player to cover all that much either Well, in Windows 11, Windows Media Player does support ALAC. Heck, it will even rip your CDs and encode them in ALAC.

jszymborski 4y ago

Just in case anyone was wondering, EAC works without a hitch with WINE on Linux.

Gigachad 4y ago
It’s also the only tool that private torrent trackers will accept. It’s been rigorously tested and accepted to be pretty much perfect, complete software.
- anomie31 4y ago
  Orpheus will rate appropriate XLD and whipper logs as 100% fwiw Also I could be wrong, but don't most trackers still accept rips that they consider inferior, but then they could be trumped by someone else that made an EAC rip?
  - roboyoshi 4y ago
    From my experience an XLD rip can be equal to an EAC rip in terms of rating on the site (RED and OPS). I've always been ripping this way and always had a perfect score; It's not easy though. There is a lot of nuances that influence the score, so you need to do a lot of reading and checking.
from 4y ago
Highly recommended for anyone using EAC (from a mirror of the what.cd wiki): https://web.archive.org/web/20161123061955/http://whatcdinfo.000webhostapp.com/EACSetup.html https://web.archive.org/web/20161123061955/http://whatcdinfo..., https://web.archive.org/web/20161123062018/http://whatcdinfo.000webhostapp.com/EACRip.html https://web.archive.org/web/20161123062018/http://whatcdinfo... Or XLD: https://web.archive.org/web/20161123023617/http://whatcdinfo.000webhostapp.com/XLD.html https://web.archive.org/web/20161123023617/http://whatcdinfo...

TacticalCoder 4y ago

> This is pretty cool, it's like a Python and * nix version of Exact Audio Copy (EAC) for Windows. And it's now packaged with many Linux distro. At some point it wasn't packaged with Debian and I simply couldn't get it to build so... For a while I ran Fedora on an old PC only to get whipper! Nowadays whipper* ships on even Debian / Devuan so life is good.

ataylor32 4y ago

Do you do anything to handle "hidden tracks" (i.e. the last track has some audio, then some silence, and then some more audio)?

heresie-dabord 4y ago

Storage is cheap, hurray! Another solution: you can archive a music CD using cdrdao and play the result using mplayer. # $1 = output file # /dev/sr0 is assumed cdrdao disk-info cdrdao read-cd --with-cddb --device /dev/sr0 --read-raw --datafile $1.cdrdao.bin $1.toc dd conv=swab if=$1.cdrdao.bin of=$1.bin # To play the BIN: mplayer -demuxer rawaudio BIN" I'm not an "audiophile" (perfectionist seeker of equipment) but I enjoy listening to classical and (some) jazz compositions and performances as they were conceived, not as "tracks".