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I know, that is my point. Parenting is a juggling of risks. "based on the information available" And the information avaiable is confusing and partly contradi

I know, that is my point. Parenting is a juggling of risks. "based on the information available" And the information avaiable is confusing and partly contradictory. I know that many researchers advised against child vaccination, because of the unknowns and the low risk for the children from the disease in the first place. "Making them work at all takes a huge level of understanding." It does, but it would be news to me, that the immune system is completely understood. Even less the immune system and long term effects of a immune system that is developing. It was cutting edge research and to my understanding it was more of: this might work. And it did and unlike the anti vaxx crowd told us, apparently we did not die from it, nor were there mass severe long term damages to be found. But there was damage, some likely did in fact die from the vaccines and so it is not a 100% clear obvious decision. It might have been for you, that is allright and it was allright for me, but for my infant children I did not feel like making that experiment.

realjhol 4y ago
Completely agree. Also we who were called "anti-vax", were not actually anti vaccine. We were just skeptical that these vaccines were all they were cracked up to be, and wanted choice an freedom to make our own decisions without coercion. To call us anti-vax was a deliberate smear and a straw-man, of our (now vindicated) concerns.
- hutzlibu 4y ago
  Well yes, that got conflated way too often, was and is wrong and unfair but believe me, there are plenty of anti-vax people. More than I thought was possible. Ranging from virus do not exist, to it is all a conspiracy to wipe out/enslave humankind, to the more reasonable: "I don't want to mess with my immune system and I do not trust pharma companies". edit: I was vaccinated, but I can understand people who refused the new vaccines
  - realjhol 4y ago
    I don't think anyone of any significance said the virus doesn't exist - just that it doesn't pose anything like the level of danger that the hysteria would suggest, which is correct. It wasn't to enslave mankind as such, but there were certainly governmental factions looking to parley the situation to introduce climate change lock downs (see the Oxford 15 minute city project), universal id cards (vax pass mandates), and to address exploding government debt through inflation, impoverishing the citizenry. Right wing people also correctly recognised that progressives despise them, and were more than happy to dominate them through spiteful imposition of malicious rules upon them and their children.
    - belltaco 4y ago
      >I don't think anyone of any significance said the virus doesn't exist How about someone with a dedicated audience of 15 million mostly older folks, and the recipient of the highest civilian honor in the US, on his highly popular radio show? >Rush Limbaugh: Folks, this coronavirus thing, I want to try to put this in perspective for you. It looks like the coronavirus is being weaponized as yet another element to bring down Donald Trump. Now, I want to tell you the truth about the coronavirus. (interruption) You think I’m wrong about this? You think I’m missing it by saying that’s… (interruption) Yeah, I’m dead right on this. The coronavirus is the common cold, folks.
      - realjhol 4y ago
        I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh or really know anything about him, but it's quite true to say that the establishment power was able to use the pandemic to great advantage against Trump. Mail-in voting has created completely new opportunities for Democrats to collect votes from its various client groups, permanently changing the face of voting in America. As for the common cold... well its more akin to the common cold than than, say, the Spanish Flu
        belltaco 4y ago
        Trump is part of the establishment power. That's why he did absolutely nothing against it while in power. Just look all the elites he appointed to power. Just a few of them https://i.redd.it/niv0ma19hdx21.jpg https://i.redd.it/niv0ma19hdx21.jpg His labor secretary was literally the prosecutor who gave Epstein a sweetheart deal.

realjhol 4y ago

Completely agree. Also we who were called "anti-vax", were not actually anti vaccine. We were just skeptical that these vaccines were all they were cracked up to be, and wanted choice an freedom to make our own decisions without coercion. To call us anti-vax was a deliberate smear and a straw-man, of our (now vindicated) concerns.

hutzlibu 4y ago
Well yes, that got conflated way too often, was and is wrong and unfair but believe me, there are plenty of anti-vax people. More than I thought was possible. Ranging from virus do not exist, to it is all a conspiracy to wipe out/enslave humankind, to the more reasonable: "I don't want to mess with my immune system and I do not trust pharma companies". edit: I was vaccinated, but I can understand people who refused the new vaccines
- realjhol 4y ago
  I don't think anyone of any significance said the virus doesn't exist - just that it doesn't pose anything like the level of danger that the hysteria would suggest, which is correct. It wasn't to enslave mankind as such, but there were certainly governmental factions looking to parley the situation to introduce climate change lock downs (see the Oxford 15 minute city project), universal id cards (vax pass mandates), and to address exploding government debt through inflation, impoverishing the citizenry. Right wing people also correctly recognised that progressives despise them, and were more than happy to dominate them through spiteful imposition of malicious rules upon them and their children.
  - belltaco 4y ago
    >I don't think anyone of any significance said the virus doesn't exist How about someone with a dedicated audience of 15 million mostly older folks, and the recipient of the highest civilian honor in the US, on his highly popular radio show? >Rush Limbaugh: Folks, this coronavirus thing, I want to try to put this in perspective for you. It looks like the coronavirus is being weaponized as yet another element to bring down Donald Trump. Now, I want to tell you the truth about the coronavirus. (interruption) You think I’m wrong about this? You think I’m missing it by saying that’s… (interruption) Yeah, I’m dead right on this. The coronavirus is the common cold, folks.
    - realjhol 4y ago
      I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh or really know anything about him, but it's quite true to say that the establishment power was able to use the pandemic to great advantage against Trump. Mail-in voting has created completely new opportunities for Democrats to collect votes from its various client groups, permanently changing the face of voting in America. As for the common cold... well its more akin to the common cold than than, say, the Spanish Flu
      - belltaco 4y ago
        Trump is part of the establishment power. That's why he did absolutely nothing against it while in power. Just look all the elites he appointed to power. Just a few of them https://i.redd.it/niv0ma19hdx21.jpg https://i.redd.it/niv0ma19hdx21.jpg His labor secretary was literally the prosecutor who gave Epstein a sweetheart deal.