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> the Republican party Nobody even remotely affiliated with the Republican Party was involved in any actual insurrection attempt on 1/6.

cycrutchfield 4y ago
“No True Republican” fallacy?
ModernMech 4y ago
You should really read the bipartisan 1/6 committee report. At the very least what you say isn't true because there wouldn't have been a mob in DC on 1/6 if Trump hadn't asked them to be there. How many people travelled from around the country to be in DC on 1/6/2017? Or 2009? Everyone gets there for the 20th for the inauguration, whereas historically the 6th has been ignored. But in 2021 everyone was there on that day, at the express invitation of Trump. Don't take my word for it - you just have to look at the court proceedings for the 1/6 prosecutions, where defendant after defendant pleads that they are not at fault because they were just taking directions from the President. But what you say is further untrue because there were plenty of Republicans involved beyond that. The White House was responsible for helping organize the Stop the Steal rally, at which multiple high-ranking Republican party members spoke. Beyond that, multiple congresspeople and senators objected to certifications, not because they had any basis for their objections, but in order to delay the proceeding and give Trump time to rile the mob. State GOP lawmakers forged Certificates of the Vote electing Trump that Pence was intended to substitute for the authentic ones. GOP Senators were involved in the process to transmit these certificates to Pence in time. Giuliani was busy calling lawmakers during the insurrection imploring them to delay the vote further as the mob bore down on them. Trump sat back and refused to deploy any National Guard troops, to the point Pence had to usurp control and do it himself after waiting 3 hours. Again, read the 1/6 report. It's all in there.
acdha 4y ago
In addition to the sitting Republican president, Paul Gosar (R–AZ), Andy Biggs (R–AZ), and Mo Brooks (R–AL) were involved and felt the need to ask for pardons: https://www.azmirror.com/blog/biggs-and-gosar-sought-pardons-for-capitol-riot-but-wont-get-them-report/ https://www.azmirror.com/blog/biggs-and-gosar-sought-pardons... https://www.al.com/news/2022/06/mo-brooks-among-lawmakers-who-asked-for-a-pardon-hearing-reveals.html https://www.al.com/news/2022/06/mo-brooks-among-lawmakers-wh... There were also a ton of Republican operatives involved (Roger Stone, Ali Alexander, etc.), donors, etc. More importantly, however, if the Republican Party didn’t support the insurrection it would have condemned the people involved and worked to prevent it from happening again. Instead, as we all know they voted to protect Trump, attacked the handful of Republicans who did condemn the attack and successfully purged them from the party in the subsequent elections, and most importantly, continued to repeat many of the themes motivating the attackers. The easiest way to say the Republican Party didn’t support January 6th would have been to publicly state that the election was valid and support prosecution of the attackers.
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cycrutchfield 4y ago

“No True Republican” fallacy?

ModernMech 4y ago

You should really read the bipartisan 1/6 committee report. At the very least what you say isn't true because there wouldn't have been a mob in DC on 1/6 if Trump hadn't asked them to be there. How many people travelled from around the country to be in DC on 1/6/2017? Or 2009? Everyone gets there for the 20th for the inauguration, whereas historically the 6th has been ignored. But in 2021 everyone was there on that day, at the express invitation of Trump. Don't take my word for it - you just have to look at the court proceedings for the 1/6 prosecutions, where defendant after defendant pleads that they are not at fault because they were just taking directions from the President. But what you say is further untrue because there were plenty of Republicans involved beyond that. The White House was responsible for helping organize the Stop the Steal rally, at which multiple high-ranking Republican party members spoke. Beyond that, multiple congresspeople and senators objected to certifications, not because they had any basis for their objections, but in order to delay the proceeding and give Trump time to rile the mob. State GOP lawmakers forged Certificates of the Vote electing Trump that Pence was intended to substitute for the authentic ones. GOP Senators were involved in the process to transmit these certificates to Pence in time. Giuliani was busy calling lawmakers during the insurrection imploring them to delay the vote further as the mob bore down on them. Trump sat back and refused to deploy any National Guard troops, to the point Pence had to usurp control and do it himself after waiting 3 hours. Again, read the 1/6 report. It's all in there.

acdha 4y ago

In addition to the sitting Republican president, Paul Gosar (R–AZ), Andy Biggs (R–AZ), and Mo Brooks (R–AL) were involved and felt the need to ask for pardons: https://www.azmirror.com/blog/biggs-and-gosar-sought-pardons-for-capitol-riot-but-wont-get-them-report/ https://www.azmirror.com/blog/biggs-and-gosar-sought-pardons... https://www.al.com/news/2022/06/mo-brooks-among-lawmakers-who-asked-for-a-pardon-hearing-reveals.html https://www.al.com/news/2022/06/mo-brooks-among-lawmakers-wh... There were also a ton of Republican operatives involved (Roger Stone, Ali Alexander, etc.), donors, etc. More importantly, however, if the Republican Party didn’t support the insurrection it would have condemned the people involved and worked to prevent it from happening again. Instead, as we all know they voted to protect Trump, attacked the handful of Republicans who did condemn the attack and successfully purged them from the party in the subsequent elections, and most importantly, continued to repeat many of the themes motivating the attackers. The easiest way to say the Republican Party didn’t support January 6th would have been to publicly state that the election was valid and support prosecution of the attackers.

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