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Edit: I knew the silent downvotes would come from people who are anti-drug and not willing to even try understanding another's experiences. I gave an honest des

Edit: I knew the silent downvotes would come from people who are anti-drug and not willing to even try understanding another's experiences. I gave an honest description, but somehow an honest data point is unacceptable as it goes against what some people want to hear. If you downvote, please explain why because the issues of drug effects, drug value and (il)legalisation need a better discussion than what I keep finding on HN from a subset of people here. Please downvote for a reason, not because you can't accept what I say. <sermon ends, normal service will now be resumed> --- Huh? Sounds like you overdid them big time. No offence but that sounds like a flaw in you, not the drugs (but yeah, that gets complex). > The come downs became horrific (once you've done a lot of them, hangovers don't come close). Double huh? I'm in a comedown from last night's E and... well, there is no comedown. As for 'hangover', I've never had one from E, ever. I seriously don't know what you've been taking. Maybe it just isn't your drug? Edit: it does sound like you seriously overdid it: "once you've done a lot of them" All I can say is your experience has zero intersection with mine. I'm sorry what is wonderful for me didn't work for you.

slfnflctd 4y ago
I think the downvotes may be coming from what looks kinda like an ad hominem attack vibe. Could've been phrased a bit less rudely. [I didn't downvote btw, I mostly agree with you.] A lot of people had bad experiences with 'E' for all kinds of reasons, from the old set & setting issue, to overdoing it, to mixing with other drugs, to dirty pills. MDMA clearly has therapeutic value. There are also many people who've had transcendent experiences with it in the wild who absolutely do not regret it. Then there are those in between (one of my best experiences was followed by a massive comedown). Humans are differently abled when it comes to exploring and/or self medicating-- many if not most are likely better off going through establishment health care channels, but those seeking their own paths shouldn't be demonized.
- _a_a_a_ 4y ago
  Ouch. A re-read and I can see what you mean about it being a bit personal. I wish I'd said it differently. But the experience was simply mine and I wasn't speaking for anyone else. I don't know of anyone who's had a bad time on them, except a couple who it just made them throw up. It was just a data point, and I was not comfortable about the talk of comedowns as if they were inevitable and awful because they aren't. I've no doubt they can be though as you and @Mezzie testify. Thanks for the feedback.
Mezzie 4y ago
E definitely can have a comedown. It's the primary reason I never did it again personally. People's sensitivities to drugs can vary wildly and often dosing recommendations don't consider that. Now back to counting out tiny little beads because my main medicine isn't made in small enough doses for me.
hutzlibu 4y ago
"I gave an honest description, but somehow an honest data point is unacceptable" "but that sounds like a flaw in you, not the drugs" I seriously would reconsider your thesis, that mdma cannot be harmful and your judgment is not tainted.
- _a_a_a_ 4y ago
  Where exactly did I ever say "that mdma cannot be harmful" - point it out. I did not. In fact I even said the exact opposite here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34380376 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34380376 If clicking is too much work, here's the entire post: "Only a fool would consider any drug harmless, obviously all (including MDMA) can have consequences"
  - hutzlibu 4y ago
    What you said elsewhere, I did not judge. I observed that here you acted agressive towards the shared bad experience of someone else, by saying the fault is with him and not the drug and then acted surprised because it was downvoted. Edit: I would just recommend to you, reading what you wrote above another day and then maybe reevaluate your theory that you don't know what a hangover is
    - _a_a_a_ 4y ago
      You haven't acknowledged you accused me of saying something I didn't, when I even said the exact opposite explicitly. Again, please point out where I said "that mdma cannot be harmful". > you acted agressive towards the shared bad experience of someone else I did not intentionally (and that it came across that way is entirely my fault). My point was his experiences were very much not mine. Therefore only that his experiences were not universal (as mine equally weren't). It was a data point. > by saying the fault is with him I did not. I asked "Maybe it just isn't your drug?" which is reasonable given his bad experince with it. I don't feel you are representing me in good faith at all.
    - _a_a_a_ 4y ago
      I notice that rather than answering my questions, you've simply edited your post to suggest that I'm wrong in a different way (yes, I know what a hangover is). Well, I "just recommend to you" to try answering honestly, and not misrepresenting people. Your behaviour is quite typical of the hard-core anti-drugs people I've argued with on HN; that they have to be right because drugs are wrong, and any tactic however dishonest can be used to win the argument.

slfnflctd 4y ago

I think the downvotes may be coming from what looks kinda like an ad hominem attack vibe. Could've been phrased a bit less rudely. [I didn't downvote btw, I mostly agree with you.] A lot of people had bad experiences with 'E' for all kinds of reasons, from the old set & setting issue, to overdoing it, to mixing with other drugs, to dirty pills. MDMA clearly has therapeutic value. There are also many people who've had transcendent experiences with it in the wild who absolutely do not regret it. Then there are those in between (one of my best experiences was followed by a massive comedown). Humans are differently abled when it comes to exploring and/or self medicating-- many if not most are likely better off going through establishment health care channels, but those seeking their own paths shouldn't be demonized.

_a_a_a_ 4y ago
Ouch. A re-read and I can see what you mean about it being a bit personal. I wish I'd said it differently. But the experience was simply mine and I wasn't speaking for anyone else. I don't know of anyone who's had a bad time on them, except a couple who it just made them throw up. It was just a data point, and I was not comfortable about the talk of comedowns as if they were inevitable and awful because they aren't. I've no doubt they can be though as you and @Mezzie testify. Thanks for the feedback.

Mezzie 4y ago

E definitely can have a comedown. It's the primary reason I never did it again personally. People's sensitivities to drugs can vary wildly and often dosing recommendations don't consider that. Now back to counting out tiny little beads because my main medicine isn't made in small enough doses for me.

hutzlibu 4y ago

"I gave an honest description, but somehow an honest data point is unacceptable" "but that sounds like a flaw in you, not the drugs" I seriously would reconsider your thesis, that mdma cannot be harmful and your judgment is not tainted.

_a_a_a_ 4y ago
Where exactly did I ever say "that mdma cannot be harmful" - point it out. I did not. In fact I even said the exact opposite here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34380376 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34380376 If clicking is too much work, here's the entire post: "Only a fool would consider any drug harmless, obviously all (including MDMA) can have consequences"
- hutzlibu 4y ago
  What you said elsewhere, I did not judge. I observed that here you acted agressive towards the shared bad experience of someone else, by saying the fault is with him and not the drug and then acted surprised because it was downvoted. Edit: I would just recommend to you, reading what you wrote above another day and then maybe reevaluate your theory that you don't know what a hangover is
  - _a_a_a_ 4y ago
    You haven't acknowledged you accused me of saying something I didn't, when I even said the exact opposite explicitly. Again, please point out where I said "that mdma cannot be harmful". > you acted agressive towards the shared bad experience of someone else I did not intentionally (and that it came across that way is entirely my fault). My point was his experiences were very much not mine. Therefore only that his experiences were not universal (as mine equally weren't). It was a data point. > by saying the fault is with him I did not. I asked "Maybe it just isn't your drug?" which is reasonable given his bad experince with it. I don't feel you are representing me in good faith at all.
  - _a_a_a_ 4y ago
    I notice that rather than answering my questions, you've simply edited your post to suggest that I'm wrong in a different way (yes, I know what a hangover is). Well, I "just recommend to you" to try answering honestly, and not misrepresenting people. Your behaviour is quite typical of the hard-core anti-drugs people I've argued with on HN; that they have to be right because drugs are wrong, and any tactic however dishonest can be used to win the argument.