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This is technically correct and totally naive. > If we get to the point where that becomes the case [...] Then it will be far too late to do anything about it

This is technically correct and totally naive. > If we get to the point where that becomes the case [...] Then it will be far too late to do anything about it. You're obviously going to be convicted of speeding if your geolocation data shows you going 80mph for an hour on the expressway, right? Do you really want to wait until this case shows up in court to try to prevent this kind of dystopia from emerging? See the current top post about individualized suspicion.

mcculley 4y ago
> You're obviously going to be convicted of speeding if your geolocation data shows you going 80mph for an hour on the expressway, right? Do you really want to wait until this case shows up in court to try to prevent this kind of dystopia from emerging? You might want to conjure up a different example. I am having trouble considering enforcement of speed limits to be dystopian.
lotsofpulp 4y ago
> You're obviously going to be convicted of speeding if your geolocation data shows you going 80mph for an hour on the expressway, right? There are toll roads all around the US that conclusively prove tens of millions of people are speeding every day for many decades now, just from the entry and exit point time data. Government leaders have yet to start mailing everyone automated speeding tickets.
acdha 4y ago
Fair enforcement of democratically enacted laws isn’t dystopian and it’d save thousands of lives annually, too, so it’s hard to say it wouldn’t have a clear benefit directly linked to the activity. What would be dystopian would be if that data collection was applied to protected activity or especially to unrelated activities: your attendance at a non-violent protest leading to your student loan rates going up, a religious prosecutor starting to “preemptively” investigate teachers & other government employees who went to a Pride parade, etc.

mcculley 4y ago

> You're obviously going to be convicted of speeding if your geolocation data shows you going 80mph for an hour on the expressway, right? Do you really want to wait until this case shows up in court to try to prevent this kind of dystopia from emerging? You might want to conjure up a different example. I am having trouble considering enforcement of speed limits to be dystopian.

lotsofpulp 4y ago

> You're obviously going to be convicted of speeding if your geolocation data shows you going 80mph for an hour on the expressway, right? There are toll roads all around the US that conclusively prove tens of millions of people are speeding every day for many decades now, just from the entry and exit point time data. Government leaders have yet to start mailing everyone automated speeding tickets.

acdha 4y ago

Fair enforcement of democratically enacted laws isn’t dystopian and it’d save thousands of lives annually, too, so it’s hard to say it wouldn’t have a clear benefit directly linked to the activity. What would be dystopian would be if that data collection was applied to protected activity or especially to unrelated activities: your attendance at a non-violent protest leading to your student loan rates going up, a religious prosecutor starting to “preemptively” investigate teachers & other government employees who went to a Pride parade, etc.