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Blender for Symbian OS

81 points by app4soft 4y ago

secondcoming 4y ago
Nice. I wonder how many phones that run Symbian have hardware floating-point support though.
- pjmlp 4y ago
  The ones running Series 60 all had, if I am not mistaken. In any case the N95 surely had it, as it was the first model to support OpenGL ES in hardware.
  - app4soft 4y ago
    > In any case the N95 surely had it, as it was the first model to support OpenGL ES in hardware. Nokia N95 (Symbian OS v9.2), which supporting OpenGL ES 1.1, was not the first one. > Symbian has provided a software based implementation of the OpenGL ES 1.0 standard since Symbian OS v8.0a.[0] As I see at least in Symbian OS v8.0 product sheet there was mention of OpenGL, and in Symbian OS v8.1 product sheet there was mention of OpenGL ES.[1,2] I'm not sure, but guess, Nokia 6630 might be one of the first with OpenGL ES 1.0.[3] [0] https://www.25yearsofprogramming.com/games-development/opengl-es.html https://www.25yearsofprogramming.com/games-development/openg... [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20080330065954/http://www.symbian.com/symbianos/releases/v80/productsheet.html https://web.archive.org/web/20080330065954/http://www.symbia... [2] https://web.archive.org/web/20080330065954/http://www.symbian.com/symbianos/releases/v81/productsheet.html https://web.archive.org/web/20080330065954/http://www.symbia... [3] https://community.khronos.org/t/opengl-es-sdk-available-for-nokia-6630/424 https://community.khronos.org/t/opengl-es-sdk-available-for-...
    - pjmlp 4y ago
      You missed the "in hardware" part. Many of those models used software rendering implementation.
      - app4soft 4y ago
        > You missed the "in hardware" part. Well, I missed that. BTW, Nokia N95 was not the first one. In «Mobile 3D Graphics with OpenGL ES and M3G»(2007) book there is a mention of Nokia N93[0] as the first one with OpenGL ES "in hardware": > From the left: Mobira Talkman, Nokia R72, Mobira Cityman, Nokia 3410 (the first GSM phone with a 3D graphics engine), Nokia 6630 (the first phone to support both OpenGL ES and M3G), and Nokia N93 (the first phone with hardware acceleration for both APIs)[1,2] N.B. Nokia N95 (March 2007) is a successor of Nokia N93 (April 2006). [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N93 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N93 [1] https://www.elsevier.com/books/mobile-3d-graphics/pulli/978-0-12-373727-4 https://www.elsevier.com/books/mobile-3d-graphics/pulli/978-... [2] https://booksite.elsevier.com/samplechapters/9780123737274/Sample_Chapters/02~Chapter_1.pdf https://booksite.elsevier.com/samplechapters/9780123737274/S...
        pjmlp 4y ago
        I guess I got the generation wrong then.
    - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
      The Nokia N-Gage from 2003 definitely had OpenGL ES 1.0 as that was one of it's main selling points, 3D games on your phone to compete with the Gameboy. I remember Tomb Raider in 3D running on that. >Initially, ES support is coming in the form of software engines. Texas Instruments and Symbian have developed the 3D Graphics Library plug-in based on OpenGL ES 1.0 for Symbian OS-based mobile phones equipped with TI’s OMAP digital signal processors. In addition, Fathammer has integrated OpenGL ES into its X-Forge game software development kit (SDK), which is used to develop apps for Nokia’s N-Gage handheld wireless game unit. Here's some interesting presentations about early 3D on phones. Just look at all those GPU IP companies we had back then: ATI, BitBoys, Falanx, Imagination Technologies, Mitsubishi, Nvidia, Toshiba, and more. https://gfx.cs.princeton.edu/pbg05/PBG_mobile_gfx_pulli.pdf https://gfx.cs.princeton.edu/pbg05/PBG_mobile_gfx_pulli.pdf https://elinux.org/images/1/1d/Khronos-CELF.pdf https://elinux.org/images/1/1d/Khronos-CELF.pdf
      - TazeTSchnitzel 4y ago
        ATI's Imageon was sold to Qualcomm and renamed to Adreno, Falanx was acquired by Arm (who still develop Mali), and Imagination and Nvidia are still around in some form. I wonder what happened to the others?
      - pjmlp 4y ago
        Yeah, but as you wrote yourself initially it was software based.
  - TazeTSchnitzel 4y ago
    OpenGL ES 1.x doesn't require an FPU. Compared to standard OpenGL it makes fixed-point required, removes double-precision floats entirely and adds optional single-precision float support. By the end of the 2000s there were definitely phones with FPUs though (e.g. the iPhone).
app4soft 4y ago
JFTR, While ago there was Tigan3D — a fully functional Blender-like 3D editor for Symbian S60 written in PyS60 (Python for S60), but development abandoned.[0,1,2] There are SIS/SISX packages for S60v2[3] and S60v3[4]. Also there is de-compiled source (PyS60 1.4.5/Python 2.2.2).[5] [0] https://twitter.com/app4soft/status/1283331633370759169 https://twitter.com/app4soft/status/1283331633370759169 [1] http://web.archive.org/web/20130607092442/http://tigan.mwb.im/category/tigan-3d/1.xhtml http://web.archive.org/web/20130607092442/http://tigan.mwb.i... [2] http://web.archive.org/web/20130607105423/http://tigan.mwb.im/category/python-pys60/1.xhtml http://web.archive.org/web/20130607105423/http://tigan.mwb.i... [3] http://profismart.org/f-210087.php http://profismart.org/f-210087.php [4] http://profismart.org/f-180431.php http://profismart.org/f-180431.php [5] https://annimon.com/forum/file16034/f000d899_py.rar https://annimon.com/forum/file16034/f000d899_py.rar
zokier 4y ago
For a sec I thought this was the crazyest project for a while, but then I realized that it doesn't actually have anything to do with Blender. I do wonder about the copyright headers though... they are odd * Copyright (c) 2004-2006 Nokia Corporation. * This material, including documentation and any related * computer programs, is protected by copyright controlled by * Nokia Corporation.
- netr0ute 4y ago
  > and any related computer programs Does this mean all the bundled software is from Nokia, or are they trying to claim copyright over programs made with their software?
- VanTheBrand 4y ago
  I’m assuming those headers are just from whatever he based this code on or autogenerated by some sort of Symbian/Nokia IDE/devtools. But also this seems to be a “lite” version of Blender, what makes you think it has nothing to to with Blender?
pfoof 4y ago
I remember that I used to have a Windows Mobile build of Blender but on 320x240 it was pretty unusable
codetrotter 4y ago
Love the use of the -ito suffix here :D Blendersito It’s Spanish diminutive. So the meaning of “Blendersito” is like “small Blender”. https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Spanish/Diminutives https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Spanish/Diminutives
- app4soft 4y ago
  > It’s Spanish diminutive. So the meaning of “Blendersito” is like “small Blender”. No wonder in code "BlenderLite" term is used.[0] If there are mods here, it might be good to replace "Blender" with "BlenderLite" in this HN thread title. [0] https://github.com/Dante-Leoncini/Blendersito/blob/main/src/BlenderLite.cpp https://github.com/Dante-Leoncini/Blendersito/blob/main/src/...
keepquestioning 4y ago
Someone teach me Blender!!
- app4soft 4y ago
  https://www.blender.org/support/tutorials/ https://www.blender.org/support/tutorials/
- senectus1 4y ago
  lots of youtube videos are out there with very easy to understand turorials.
VanTheBrand 4y ago
Could this be combined with Blender Apps as a way to make apps for Symbian I wonder? https://code.blender.org/2022/11/blender-apps/ https://code.blender.org/2022/11/blender-apps/
danrocks 4y ago
Looking at Symbian C++ code after 11 years gives me PTSD. Many years working at Nokia trying to make other frameworks run on top of Symbian so that developers could have an easier life. I do not miss those times.
- cjkarr 4y ago
  I have fond memories using Qt on Symbian. Thank you for your work.
  - danrocks 4y ago
    A happy customer! What a rarity. It was immensely tough to get the basics working on top of Symbian (Maemo was a breeze) so the experience was wonky and, frankly, kind of crappy. QML and Qt Quick were going to be the salvation, but we ran out of time. I hate what we did to Trolltech.
- pjmlp 4y ago
  Ironically I still miss it, when I have to deal with Android NDK tooling. I still don't get how Android team managed to bork the experience, other than maybe discouraging everyone to try to write C++ instead of Java/Kotlin. Most likely if it wasn't for game developers, the NDK wouldn't even exist.
predictsoft 4y ago
I have the EPOC32 emulator for Windows, and I use the Agenda / Time apps to organise my life. Can't beat that Psion 5 agenda.
vanous 4y ago
Let's now run BlenderDMX inside it :) https://github.com/hugoaboud/blenderDMX https://github.com/hugoaboud/blenderDMX
koziserek 4y ago
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8Sbizs-qAwY https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8Sbizs-qAwY

81 points by app4soft 4y ago

secondcoming 4y ago

Nice. I wonder how many phones that run Symbian have hardware floating-point support though.

pjmlp 4y ago
The ones running Series 60 all had, if I am not mistaken. In any case the N95 surely had it, as it was the first model to support OpenGL ES in hardware.
- app4soft 4y ago
  > In any case the N95 surely had it, as it was the first model to support OpenGL ES in hardware. Nokia N95 (Symbian OS v9.2), which supporting OpenGL ES 1.1, was not the first one. > Symbian has provided a software based implementation of the OpenGL ES 1.0 standard since Symbian OS v8.0a.[0] As I see at least in Symbian OS v8.0 product sheet there was mention of OpenGL, and in Symbian OS v8.1 product sheet there was mention of OpenGL ES.[1,2] I'm not sure, but guess, Nokia 6630 might be one of the first with OpenGL ES 1.0.[3] [0] https://www.25yearsofprogramming.com/games-development/opengl-es.html https://www.25yearsofprogramming.com/games-development/openg... [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20080330065954/http://www.symbian.com/symbianos/releases/v80/productsheet.html https://web.archive.org/web/20080330065954/http://www.symbia... [2] https://web.archive.org/web/20080330065954/http://www.symbian.com/symbianos/releases/v81/productsheet.html https://web.archive.org/web/20080330065954/http://www.symbia... [3] https://community.khronos.org/t/opengl-es-sdk-available-for-nokia-6630/424 https://community.khronos.org/t/opengl-es-sdk-available-for-...
  - pjmlp 4y ago
    You missed the "in hardware" part. Many of those models used software rendering implementation.
    - app4soft 4y ago
      > You missed the "in hardware" part. Well, I missed that. BTW, Nokia N95 was not the first one. In «Mobile 3D Graphics with OpenGL ES and M3G»(2007) book there is a mention of Nokia N93[0] as the first one with OpenGL ES "in hardware": > From the left: Mobira Talkman, Nokia R72, Mobira Cityman, Nokia 3410 (the first GSM phone with a 3D graphics engine), Nokia 6630 (the first phone to support both OpenGL ES and M3G), and Nokia N93 (the first phone with hardware acceleration for both APIs)[1,2] N.B. Nokia N95 (March 2007) is a successor of Nokia N93 (April 2006). [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N93 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N93 [1] https://www.elsevier.com/books/mobile-3d-graphics/pulli/978-0-12-373727-4 https://www.elsevier.com/books/mobile-3d-graphics/pulli/978-... [2] https://booksite.elsevier.com/samplechapters/9780123737274/Sample_Chapters/02~Chapter_1.pdf https://booksite.elsevier.com/samplechapters/9780123737274/S...
      - pjmlp 4y ago
        I guess I got the generation wrong then.
  - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
    The Nokia N-Gage from 2003 definitely had OpenGL ES 1.0 as that was one of it's main selling points, 3D games on your phone to compete with the Gameboy. I remember Tomb Raider in 3D running on that. >Initially, ES support is coming in the form of software engines. Texas Instruments and Symbian have developed the 3D Graphics Library plug-in based on OpenGL ES 1.0 for Symbian OS-based mobile phones equipped with TI’s OMAP digital signal processors. In addition, Fathammer has integrated OpenGL ES into its X-Forge game software development kit (SDK), which is used to develop apps for Nokia’s N-Gage handheld wireless game unit. Here's some interesting presentations about early 3D on phones. Just look at all those GPU IP companies we had back then: ATI, BitBoys, Falanx, Imagination Technologies, Mitsubishi, Nvidia, Toshiba, and more. https://gfx.cs.princeton.edu/pbg05/PBG_mobile_gfx_pulli.pdf https://gfx.cs.princeton.edu/pbg05/PBG_mobile_gfx_pulli.pdf https://elinux.org/images/1/1d/Khronos-CELF.pdf https://elinux.org/images/1/1d/Khronos-CELF.pdf
    - TazeTSchnitzel 4y ago
      ATI's Imageon was sold to Qualcomm and renamed to Adreno, Falanx was acquired by Arm (who still develop Mali), and Imagination and Nvidia are still around in some form. I wonder what happened to the others?
    - pjmlp 4y ago
      Yeah, but as you wrote yourself initially it was software based.
- TazeTSchnitzel 4y ago
  OpenGL ES 1.x doesn't require an FPU. Compared to standard OpenGL it makes fixed-point required, removes double-precision floats entirely and adds optional single-precision float support. By the end of the 2000s there were definitely phones with FPUs though (e.g. the iPhone).

app4soft 4y ago

JFTR, While ago there was Tigan3D — a fully functional Blender-like 3D editor for Symbian S60 written in PyS60 (Python for S60), but development abandoned.[0,1,2] There are SIS/SISX packages for S60v2[3] and S60v3[4]. Also there is de-compiled source (PyS60 1.4.5/Python 2.2.2).[5] [0] https://twitter.com/app4soft/status/1283331633370759169 https://twitter.com/app4soft/status/1283331633370759169 [1] http://web.archive.org/web/20130607092442/http://tigan.mwb.im/category/tigan-3d/1.xhtml http://web.archive.org/web/20130607092442/http://tigan.mwb.i... [2] http://web.archive.org/web/20130607105423/http://tigan.mwb.im/category/python-pys60/1.xhtml http://web.archive.org/web/20130607105423/http://tigan.mwb.i... [3] http://profismart.org/f-210087.php http://profismart.org/f-210087.php [4] http://profismart.org/f-180431.php http://profismart.org/f-180431.php [5] https://annimon.com/forum/file16034/f000d899_py.rar https://annimon.com/forum/file16034/f000d899_py.rar

zokier 4y ago

For a sec I thought this was the crazyest project for a while, but then I realized that it doesn't actually have anything to do with Blender. I do wonder about the copyright headers though... they are odd * Copyright (c) 2004-2006 Nokia Corporation. * This material, including documentation and any related * computer programs, is protected by copyright controlled by * Nokia Corporation.

netr0ute 4y ago
> and any related computer programs Does this mean all the bundled software is from Nokia, or are they trying to claim copyright over programs made with their software?
VanTheBrand 4y ago
I’m assuming those headers are just from whatever he based this code on or autogenerated by some sort of Symbian/Nokia IDE/devtools. But also this seems to be a “lite” version of Blender, what makes you think it has nothing to to with Blender?

pfoof 4y ago

I remember that I used to have a Windows Mobile build of Blender but on 320x240 it was pretty unusable

codetrotter 4y ago

Love the use of the -ito suffix here :D Blendersito It’s Spanish diminutive. So the meaning of “Blendersito” is like “small Blender”. https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Spanish/Diminutives https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Spanish/Diminutives

app4soft 4y ago
> It’s Spanish diminutive. So the meaning of “Blendersito” is like “small Blender”. No wonder in code "BlenderLite" term is used.[0] If there are mods here, it might be good to replace "Blender" with "BlenderLite" in this HN thread title. [0] https://github.com/Dante-Leoncini/Blendersito/blob/main/src/BlenderLite.cpp https://github.com/Dante-Leoncini/Blendersito/blob/main/src/...

keepquestioning 4y ago

Someone teach me Blender!!

app4soft 4y ago
https://www.blender.org/support/tutorials/ https://www.blender.org/support/tutorials/
senectus1 4y ago
lots of youtube videos are out there with very easy to understand turorials.

VanTheBrand 4y ago

Could this be combined with Blender Apps as a way to make apps for Symbian I wonder? https://code.blender.org/2022/11/blender-apps/ https://code.blender.org/2022/11/blender-apps/

danrocks 4y ago

Looking at Symbian C++ code after 11 years gives me PTSD. Many years working at Nokia trying to make other frameworks run on top of Symbian so that developers could have an easier life. I do not miss those times.

cjkarr 4y ago
I have fond memories using Qt on Symbian. Thank you for your work.
- danrocks 4y ago
  A happy customer! What a rarity. It was immensely tough to get the basics working on top of Symbian (Maemo was a breeze) so the experience was wonky and, frankly, kind of crappy. QML and Qt Quick were going to be the salvation, but we ran out of time. I hate what we did to Trolltech.
pjmlp 4y ago
Ironically I still miss it, when I have to deal with Android NDK tooling. I still don't get how Android team managed to bork the experience, other than maybe discouraging everyone to try to write C++ instead of Java/Kotlin. Most likely if it wasn't for game developers, the NDK wouldn't even exist.

predictsoft 4y ago

I have the EPOC32 emulator for Windows, and I use the Agenda / Time apps to organise my life. Can't beat that Psion 5 agenda.

vanous 4y ago

Let's now run BlenderDMX inside it :) https://github.com/hugoaboud/blenderDMX https://github.com/hugoaboud/blenderDMX

koziserek 4y ago

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8Sbizs-qAwY https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8Sbizs-qAwY