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Why in 2023 people still believe that C19 mRNA prevents infecting others? This myth has long been classified as wrong (unlike advertised in the beginning of its

Why in 2023 people still believe that C19 mRNA prevents infecting others? This myth has long been classified as wrong (unlike advertised in the beginning of its rollout)

knaik94 4y ago
If you don't become infected, you can't infect others. The vaccine reduces the chances of you become sick with covid.
- hutzlibu 4y ago
  https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2116597 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2116597 "Although vaccination still lowers the risk of infection, similar viral loads in vaccinated and unvaccinated persons who are infected with the delta variant call into question the degree to which vaccination prevents transmission." Not to dispute your claim, but to put it into context. But apart from that, I am out of this debate.
- grjdiofgeriov 4y ago
  If you don't know you are infected, you increase the risk of infecting others. As we know, the primary effect of the various vaccines was to reduce the incidences of symptomatic covid. "Becoming sick with Covid" and "becoming infected with Covid" are very different things.
Avamander 4y ago
It's just that the nuance is often ignored in the initial saying. Why do people try to debunk something out of a game of telephone instead on restoring the original information. Point has always been that people who are less ill, less severely ill, for a shorter duration, with fewer or no symptoms, have lower chances of infecting others. The urge to simplify is great but it causes these weird discussions like "does the vaccine prevent (all) infection" or like what we have here.
- fdschoeneman 4y ago
  I understand why Biden, his administration, fauci and the CDC lied. The telephone game effect is real. And sometimes lies are well I intentioned, if stupid. But that doesn't change the fact that they all lied to us.
- therealdrag0 4y ago
  Do you have a good source on the “less I’ll less duration less spread” angle. A friend was just arguing with me recently about how ineffectual the vaccine was. So a good nuanced source would be helpful.
- Izkata 4y ago
  > Point has always been that people who are less ill, less severely ill, for a shorter duration, with fewer or no symptoms, have lower chances of infecting others. The most recent research on the types of antibodies the vaccines create vs natural infection are showing the opposite: it causes our bodies to treat the virus more like an allergy, reducing the symptoms while clearing the infection much slower. This gives more chance to infect others, not less.
yucky 4y ago
> Why in 2023 people still believe that C19 mRNA prevents infecting others? Because the Director of the CDC and the President of the United States have both at several times made this claim publicly. The fact that we now know they were lying is why we're in this situation to begin with.
- Izkata 4y ago
  > The fact that we now know Some of us knew they were lying from the start and had a very frustrating few years: Pfizer made no claims about infection/transmission, just symptoms, because they never tested for infection/transmission. That claim popped up out of nowhere a few months after the vaccines were available.
bryanlarsen 4y ago
> Why in 2023 people still believe that C19 mRNA prevents infecting others? This myth has long been classified as wrong Because it does. Your chances of getting and spreading COVID for the 3 months after you get a vaccine drop dramatically.

Why in 2023 people still believe that C19 mRNA prevents infecting others? This myth has long been classified as wrong (unlike advertised in the beginning of its rollout)

knaik94 4y ago

If you don't become infected, you can't infect others. The vaccine reduces the chances of you become sick with covid.

hutzlibu 4y ago
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2116597 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2116597 "Although vaccination still lowers the risk of infection, similar viral loads in vaccinated and unvaccinated persons who are infected with the delta variant call into question the degree to which vaccination prevents transmission." Not to dispute your claim, but to put it into context. But apart from that, I am out of this debate.
grjdiofgeriov 4y ago
If you don't know you are infected, you increase the risk of infecting others. As we know, the primary effect of the various vaccines was to reduce the incidences of symptomatic covid. "Becoming sick with Covid" and "becoming infected with Covid" are very different things.

Avamander 4y ago

It's just that the nuance is often ignored in the initial saying. Why do people try to debunk something out of a game of telephone instead on restoring the original information. Point has always been that people who are less ill, less severely ill, for a shorter duration, with fewer or no symptoms, have lower chances of infecting others. The urge to simplify is great but it causes these weird discussions like "does the vaccine prevent (all) infection" or like what we have here.

fdschoeneman 4y ago
I understand why Biden, his administration, fauci and the CDC lied. The telephone game effect is real. And sometimes lies are well I intentioned, if stupid. But that doesn't change the fact that they all lied to us.
therealdrag0 4y ago
Do you have a good source on the “less I’ll less duration less spread” angle. A friend was just arguing with me recently about how ineffectual the vaccine was. So a good nuanced source would be helpful.
Izkata 4y ago
> Point has always been that people who are less ill, less severely ill, for a shorter duration, with fewer or no symptoms, have lower chances of infecting others. The most recent research on the types of antibodies the vaccines create vs natural infection are showing the opposite: it causes our bodies to treat the virus more like an allergy, reducing the symptoms while clearing the infection much slower. This gives more chance to infect others, not less.

yucky 4y ago

> Why in 2023 people still believe that C19 mRNA prevents infecting others? Because the Director of the CDC and the President of the United States have both at several times made this claim publicly. The fact that we now know they were lying is why we're in this situation to begin with.

Izkata 4y ago
> The fact that we now know Some of us knew they were lying from the start and had a very frustrating few years: Pfizer made no claims about infection/transmission, just symptoms, because they never tested for infection/transmission. That claim popped up out of nowhere a few months after the vaccines were available.

bryanlarsen 4y ago

> Why in 2023 people still believe that C19 mRNA prevents infecting others? This myth has long been classified as wrong Because it does. Your chances of getting and spreading COVID for the 3 months after you get a vaccine drop dramatically.