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It is almost unperceivable to people who truly have faith, that other might not believe in the same higher authority as them. This is a story as old as time.

by hcrean 4y ago

ben_w 4y ago
This is very true. I don't know if you're saying that about vaccination providers or anti-vax campaigners (Deliberate ambiguity? I ask because I do that sometime). While there is a massive difference in evidence supporting these two sides, as I have a mere GCSE grade C in biology, I necessarily have to just have faith in the research methods and licensing regimes that made my 4 Covid jabs and humpteen others. Not unadulterated faith, but I do have faith, and it is only faith. I can't do a double-blind replication even if I wanted to.
- fidgewidge 4y ago
  Why? There's no requirement that you get a credential from a particular group in society before being allowed to distrust them. If such a rule really existed it'd be a field day for scammers. For example nobody would be allowed to doubt any claim related to Web3 if they hadn't already spent years writing smart contracts. Or they wouldn't be allowed to decide Tesla FSD isn't safe enough, because they aren't themselves self driving car researchers. It's really smart to distrust vaccine providers and public health authorities. Having blind faith in them is bad. You don't need a credential to see that, you just have to observe that they constantly make strong claims in favor of vaccines that they later walk back when it's too late, without any consequences whatsoever.
  - ben_w 4y ago
    Why do I trust the vaccines? Because medicine is generally useful and functional. Because doctors studied at the same university that taught me much of my profession. Because nations in economic dispute with each other, nations with territorial disputes, even nations at war with each other, still all agree that the vaccines are a good idea.
hanselot 4y ago
Faith has no impact on my decision to prefer not to be the guinea pig for experimental gene therapy, that results in micro clotting and turning your body into a spike protein factory. I have no issue with traditional vaccination, but this is nothing like a vaccination. They wouldn't have needed to change the definition of vaccination if it was. They wouldn't need to push this 24/7 on every possible platform if it worked as promised. They wouldn't have to tell us that these super rare side effects that every one of my colleagues is experiencing is super rare and nothing to be concerned about. If you find your opinions align with the mindless masses, perhaps you are among them.
- blibble 4y ago
  it is not possible for your DNA to be modified by the mRNA vaccines, so it is not gene therapy and the virus will turn your body into a spike protein factory regardless
  - pclmulqdq 4y ago
    This is actually not true - reverse transcriptase is present in your cells, and has been known to add code from viral RNA to your DNA, sometimes permanently.
    - blibble 4y ago
      you are thinking of integrase, which is not present and there is no primer site on the mRNA for RT to operate if it was that easy for random bits of floating mRNA to integrate itself into your DNA then we'd never make it to the point of being born
      - pclmulqdq 4y ago
        I'm not suggesting that it's normal, easy, or within the everyday functions of a cell. The parent comment said "...it's not possible..." It demonstrably is possible, and has happened before in the genetic record of humans.

It is almost unperceivable to people who truly have faith, that other might not believe in the same higher authority as them. This is a story as old as time.

by hcrean 4y ago

It is almost unperceivable to people who truly have faith, that other might not believe in the same higher authority as them. This is a story as old as time.

ben_w 4y ago

This is very true. I don't know if you're saying that about vaccination providers or anti-vax campaigners (Deliberate ambiguity? I ask because I do that sometime). While there is a massive difference in evidence supporting these two sides, as I have a mere GCSE grade C in biology, I necessarily have to just have faith in the research methods and licensing regimes that made my 4 Covid jabs and humpteen others. Not unadulterated faith, but I do have faith, and it is only faith. I can't do a double-blind replication even if I wanted to.

fidgewidge 4y ago
Why? There's no requirement that you get a credential from a particular group in society before being allowed to distrust them. If such a rule really existed it'd be a field day for scammers. For example nobody would be allowed to doubt any claim related to Web3 if they hadn't already spent years writing smart contracts. Or they wouldn't be allowed to decide Tesla FSD isn't safe enough, because they aren't themselves self driving car researchers. It's really smart to distrust vaccine providers and public health authorities. Having blind faith in them is bad. You don't need a credential to see that, you just have to observe that they constantly make strong claims in favor of vaccines that they later walk back when it's too late, without any consequences whatsoever.
- ben_w 4y ago
  Why do I trust the vaccines? Because medicine is generally useful and functional. Because doctors studied at the same university that taught me much of my profession. Because nations in economic dispute with each other, nations with territorial disputes, even nations at war with each other, still all agree that the vaccines are a good idea.

hanselot 4y ago

Faith has no impact on my decision to prefer not to be the guinea pig for experimental gene therapy, that results in micro clotting and turning your body into a spike protein factory. I have no issue with traditional vaccination, but this is nothing like a vaccination. They wouldn't have needed to change the definition of vaccination if it was. They wouldn't need to push this 24/7 on every possible platform if it worked as promised. They wouldn't have to tell us that these super rare side effects that every one of my colleagues is experiencing is super rare and nothing to be concerned about. If you find your opinions align with the mindless masses, perhaps you are among them.

blibble 4y ago
it is not possible for your DNA to be modified by the mRNA vaccines, so it is not gene therapy and the virus will turn your body into a spike protein factory regardless
- pclmulqdq 4y ago
  This is actually not true - reverse transcriptase is present in your cells, and has been known to add code from viral RNA to your DNA, sometimes permanently.
  - blibble 4y ago
    you are thinking of integrase, which is not present and there is no primer site on the mRNA for RT to operate if it was that easy for random bits of floating mRNA to integrate itself into your DNA then we'd never make it to the point of being born
    - pclmulqdq 4y ago
      I'm not suggesting that it's normal, easy, or within the everyday functions of a cell. The parent comment said "...it's not possible..." It demonstrably is possible, and has happened before in the genetic record of humans.