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Because the experiences are different and MDMA is extremely low risk and for most people who take it life affirming in a way other drugs like alcohol and tobacc

Because the experiences are different and MDMA is extremely low risk and for most people who take it life affirming in a way other drugs like alcohol and tobacco are not.

sublinear 4y ago
And yet there are many people of all ages who would disagree and say other drugs (including alcohol) were just as life affirming and low risk based on their own life long usage.
- mdhen 4y ago
  Those people clearly have not done MDMA
  - fckgnad 4y ago
    I'm just taking it up a level. I'm guessing the meth user looks at you and says, "You clearly haven't taken Meth." If MDMA users claim it's profound, is it really the same in the eyes of a meth user who has done both MDMA and meth? If the meth user can invalidate the experience with his own, then what does it say in general?
    - Nursie 4y ago
      I challenge you to find a meth user that tells you meth is profound, opening experience that brings you closer to people and helps you know yourself. (edit - rate limited so can't respond below. 'Meth' is a strong stimulant, with some associated euphoria, it's not a profound emotional experience like mdma. Yes I'm speaking from experience. Phenethylamine-derived drugs are massively varied in their effects, see also for example the true-psychedelic mescaline, 2C-x and, well, the whole of Pihkal)
      - fckgnad 4y ago
        I'm looking for a person who has done BOTH meth and MDMA and I want him to compare the experience of each. My guess is that Meth operates on another level of profoundness, one that is both different and significantly higher then MDMA. My guess is that once you take Meth, MDMA isn't really that big of a deal anymore.
        sirsinsalot 4y ago
        I can confirm this isn't true. They're totally different. My experience of them was totally different. I found mdma more personal, soul-engaging, pleasurable and enlightning. Meth was just overwhelming, rushy, detached feeling euphoria with a air of anxiety.
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        throwusawayus 4y ago
        have done both. meth is a strong drug but its experience is absolutely not “profound” at all why do you keep making comments like this about meth in this thread? better comparison, LSD and shrooms are very profound, but in a different way than E, think like introspective -vs- social even better comparison is 2ct7, felt like a nice balanced combination of mdma and lsd, profound but not overwhelmingly
        fckgnad 4y ago
        I kept making comments because nobody answered. I now have answers thanks.
    - thesaintlives 4y ago
      'Life affirming' is completely different to being fucked out of your head. MDMA can give you a stronger connection to the important things in life (love, relationships, your feelings) when used sensibly (just like many other drugs). Hard drugs like meth can become your life, no thanks..
fckgnad 4y ago
I already stated the risk is irrelevant to the discussion. Here's a better way to phrase the question. Has someone who has taken both MDMA, heroin and Meth care to explain the differences in "profoundness" or "life affirmation" levels of each drug? I suspect ignorance is bliss. People who haven't taken MDMA don't know how profound it is. People who have taken MDMA but not Meth don't realize that MDMA is childs play and that Meth is even more profound.
- sirsinsalot 4y ago
  That's not quite how drugs work. I've done many of them. They each have an effect that is distinct and separate from their risk profile and addiction properties. Cocaine feels very different to MDMA and heroin is different still. MDMAs effect is one of filling your brain and body with love, bliss, sexuality and euphoria. Every sense you have is now coloured with absolute pleasure. That's a very specific feeling. Comparing the effects of drugs in a way that judges their relative value is usually not helpful. For example MDMA isn't hallucination inducing like LSD. Other drugs transport your consciousness to completely alien experiences of space and time. MDMA isn't like that. You're still you and your experiences, experienced through a new lense of pleasure. There is always overlap, the palette of chemicals to alter in your brain is limited and these drugs alter often the same ones in different ways. It isn't the drug that is important, but the experience. That's subjective and as tricky as judging the beauty of art. Cocaine for example is fun. It feels good. You're energised, uninhibited, and combined with alcohol products enhanced euphoria. But if cocaine is Jackson Pollock then MDMA is Georgia O'Keeffe.
  - fckgnad 4y ago
    I am not comparing coke and MDMA nor am I comparing LSD. I know the profiles of those drugs I am not referring to that. Those drugs have less overlap with MDMA. Have you done MDMA AND heroin/Meth? More important meth. Because these drugs have a huge overlap when you examine the physiological effects. Pleasure, love and bliss are generated by the same chemical.
    - sirsinsalot 4y ago

Because the experiences are different and MDMA is extremely low risk and for most people who take it life affirming in a way other drugs like alcohol and tobacco are not.

sublinear 4y ago

And yet there are many people of all ages who would disagree and say other drugs (including alcohol) were just as life affirming and low risk based on their own life long usage.

mdhen 4y ago
Those people clearly have not done MDMA
- fckgnad 4y ago
  I'm just taking it up a level. I'm guessing the meth user looks at you and says, "You clearly haven't taken Meth." If MDMA users claim it's profound, is it really the same in the eyes of a meth user who has done both MDMA and meth? If the meth user can invalidate the experience with his own, then what does it say in general?
  - Nursie 4y ago
    I challenge you to find a meth user that tells you meth is profound, opening experience that brings you closer to people and helps you know yourself. (edit - rate limited so can't respond below. 'Meth' is a strong stimulant, with some associated euphoria, it's not a profound emotional experience like mdma. Yes I'm speaking from experience. Phenethylamine-derived drugs are massively varied in their effects, see also for example the true-psychedelic mescaline, 2C-x and, well, the whole of Pihkal)
    - fckgnad 4y ago
      I'm looking for a person who has done BOTH meth and MDMA and I want him to compare the experience of each. My guess is that Meth operates on another level of profoundness, one that is both different and significantly higher then MDMA. My guess is that once you take Meth, MDMA isn't really that big of a deal anymore.
      - sirsinsalot 4y ago
        I can confirm this isn't true. They're totally different. My experience of them was totally different. I found mdma more personal, soul-engaging, pleasurable and enlightning. Meth was just overwhelming, rushy, detached feeling euphoria with a air of anxiety.
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      - throwusawayus 4y ago
        have done both. meth is a strong drug but its experience is absolutely not “profound” at all why do you keep making comments like this about meth in this thread? better comparison, LSD and shrooms are very profound, but in a different way than E, think like introspective -vs- social even better comparison is 2ct7, felt like a nice balanced combination of mdma and lsd, profound but not overwhelmingly
        fckgnad 4y ago
        I kept making comments because nobody answered. I now have answers thanks.
  - thesaintlives 4y ago
    'Life affirming' is completely different to being fucked out of your head. MDMA can give you a stronger connection to the important things in life (love, relationships, your feelings) when used sensibly (just like many other drugs). Hard drugs like meth can become your life, no thanks..

fckgnad 4y ago

I already stated the risk is irrelevant to the discussion. Here's a better way to phrase the question. Has someone who has taken both MDMA, heroin and Meth care to explain the differences in "profoundness" or "life affirmation" levels of each drug? I suspect ignorance is bliss. People who haven't taken MDMA don't know how profound it is. People who have taken MDMA but not Meth don't realize that MDMA is childs play and that Meth is even more profound.

sirsinsalot 4y ago
That's not quite how drugs work. I've done many of them. They each have an effect that is distinct and separate from their risk profile and addiction properties. Cocaine feels very different to MDMA and heroin is different still. MDMAs effect is one of filling your brain and body with love, bliss, sexuality and euphoria. Every sense you have is now coloured with absolute pleasure. That's a very specific feeling. Comparing the effects of drugs in a way that judges their relative value is usually not helpful. For example MDMA isn't hallucination inducing like LSD. Other drugs transport your consciousness to completely alien experiences of space and time. MDMA isn't like that. You're still you and your experiences, experienced through a new lense of pleasure. There is always overlap, the palette of chemicals to alter in your brain is limited and these drugs alter often the same ones in different ways. It isn't the drug that is important, but the experience. That's subjective and as tricky as judging the beauty of art. Cocaine for example is fun. It feels good. You're energised, uninhibited, and combined with alcohol products enhanced euphoria. But if cocaine is Jackson Pollock then MDMA is Georgia O'Keeffe.
- fckgnad 4y ago
  I am not comparing coke and MDMA nor am I comparing LSD. I know the profiles of those drugs I am not referring to that. Those drugs have less overlap with MDMA. Have you done MDMA AND heroin/Meth? More important meth. Because these drugs have a huge overlap when you examine the physiological effects. Pleasure, love and bliss are generated by the same chemical.
  - sirsinsalot 4y ago