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Another perspective: The box was never meant to be open. We are not meant to understand the full truth of the universe. There are other boxes too, each box wit

Another perspective: The box was never meant to be open. We are not meant to understand the full truth of the universe. There are other boxes too, each box with a slightly different experience and each with a different price to pay. The price is irrelevant to the discussion though. My question for you is, why is MDMA profound? Why the focus on this particular box. Why aren't you talking about the profound experiences generated by meth or heroin?

jojobas 4y ago
There is no truth in tricking your brain to feel what's not there.
- fckgnad 4y ago
  All feelings, drug induced, or not aren't really there. None of it is real. Truth is just an expression. I use it in the same light as "profoundness". I understand the stigma associated with the drug. But the emotions generated by the drugs themselves are in reality actualized by the brain and that actualization cannot be invalidated. It is worth it to ask, think and wonder about this actualization even when you have no plans around taking the drugs yourself.
  - 400thecat 4y ago
    heroine and Meth are not hallucinogenic drugs. I have never taken MDMA, but I did try DMT and psiloscybin. These experiences were profound. Further, the risk is almost zero. DMT is anti-addictive. I took it few times, and I don't ever want to repeat it
    - fckgnad 4y ago
      The topic at hand here is not hallucinogenic drugs. MDMA is not hallucinogenic. The topic at hand is centered around drugs that generate pleasure. You're a little left field with hallucinogenic drugs. I'm sure there's some sort of "profoundness" there as well but it's a different topic.
      - thesaintlives 4y ago
        Pure MDMA is most certainly hallucinogenic...
        sirsinsalot 4y ago
        im not sure minor visuals count, ive done 250mg+ pure in one setting and it was at best minor.
        thesaintlives 4y ago
        The best MDMA I ever had (I had plenty) was in Hong Kong, full on hallucinations. Good MDMA, visuals, no question about it.
        _a_a_a_ 4y ago
        Use MDMA regularly when I can afford it, never had hallucinations. Don't know of anyone who's used it and hallucinated either.
  - sirsinsalot 4y ago
    This. It's like saying the pleasure you feel when you eat a food you like isn't real. Or the feelings you feel when someone kisses you aren't real. Drawing arbitrary lines around what is real feeling based on the stimuli is very strange and usually driven by ignorance or fear.
    - jojobas 4y ago
      If you made a drug that would make you feel as if you were kissing, you sensation of kissing would not be true, as there would be no kissing going on. Same goes for bonding, closeness and so on. You just tricked your brain into hallucinating emotional responses for things that are not there.
      - sirsinsalot 4y ago
        It is actually more like salt. Salt enhances the flavour of food, MDMA enhances the experience that's already there. It doesn't just invent the feelings, instead amplifies the feelings you have. Is salt just fake taste?
      - coyotespike 4y ago
        I partly agree and partly disagree. If you think MDMA is giving you a feeling of deep friendship with a perfect stranger, then you might be hallucinating the feeling of a long and strong relationship. However, that's not really the feeling you're getting on molly. It's more recognizing the preciousness of our shared humanity. If done with a friend or a lover, this in itself is a genuine bonding experience. If done with a stranger, you're not expecting anything more after the experience, but it still feels valuable.
- plsbenice34 4y ago
  Many people say something like this about drugs, but it does not seem philosophically or logically sound to me. When you have coffee in the morning and have some increased mood from it does that make the whole day invalid? When you go a run and you body produces enjoyable neurochemicals in your brain, just like taking a drug, is that real? All experiences are just as real and valid regardless of what contributed to creating the experience - if you think otherwise then it seems very hard to justify such an opinion with consistent and sound logic
- CuriouslyC 4y ago
  Plot twist: we are constantly constructing our feelings from emotionless data. If a drug changes the emotions you generate from data, that's no less valid.
  - VMG 4y ago
    would you say the same to a junkie that has soiled himself and is riding on cloud 9?
andy_ppp 4y ago
Because the experiences are different and MDMA is extremely low risk and for most people who take it life affirming in a way other drugs like alcohol and tobacco are not.
- sublinear 4y ago
  And yet there are many people of all ages who would disagree and say other drugs (including alcohol) were just as life affirming and low risk based on their own life long usage.
  - mdhen 4y ago
    Those people clearly have not done MDMA
    - fckgnad 4y ago
      I'm just taking it up a level. I'm guessing the meth user looks at you and says, "You clearly haven't taken Meth." If MDMA users claim it's profound, is it really the same in the eyes of a meth user who has done both MDMA and meth? If the meth user can invalidate the experience with his own, then what does it say in general?
      - Nursie 4y ago
        I challenge you to find a meth user that tells you meth is profound, opening experience that brings you closer to people and helps you know yourself. (edit - rate limited so can't respond below. 'Meth' is a strong stimulant, with some associated euphoria, it's not a profound emotional experience like mdma. Yes I'm speaking from experience. Phenethylamine-derived drugs are massively varied in their effects, see also for example the true-psychedelic mescaline, 2C-x and, well, the whole of Pihkal)
        fckgnad 4y ago
        I'm looking for a person who has done BOTH meth and MDMA and I want him to compare the experience of each. My guess is that Meth operates on another level of profoundness, one that is both different and significantly higher then MDMA. My guess is that once you take Meth, MDMA isn't really that big of a deal anymore.
_a_a_a_ 4y ago
My experience is not profound. MDMA is just a great night out. End of.

jojobas 4y ago

There is no truth in tricking your brain to feel what's not there.

fckgnad 4y ago
All feelings, drug induced, or not aren't really there. None of it is real. Truth is just an expression. I use it in the same light as "profoundness". I understand the stigma associated with the drug. But the emotions generated by the drugs themselves are in reality actualized by the brain and that actualization cannot be invalidated. It is worth it to ask, think and wonder about this actualization even when you have no plans around taking the drugs yourself.
- 400thecat 4y ago
  heroine and Meth are not hallucinogenic drugs. I have never taken MDMA, but I did try DMT and psiloscybin. These experiences were profound. Further, the risk is almost zero. DMT is anti-addictive. I took it few times, and I don't ever want to repeat it
  - fckgnad 4y ago
    The topic at hand here is not hallucinogenic drugs. MDMA is not hallucinogenic. The topic at hand is centered around drugs that generate pleasure. You're a little left field with hallucinogenic drugs. I'm sure there's some sort of "profoundness" there as well but it's a different topic.
    - thesaintlives 4y ago
      Pure MDMA is most certainly hallucinogenic...
      - sirsinsalot 4y ago
        im not sure minor visuals count, ive done 250mg+ pure in one setting and it was at best minor.
        thesaintlives 4y ago
        The best MDMA I ever had (I had plenty) was in Hong Kong, full on hallucinations. Good MDMA, visuals, no question about it.
      - _a_a_a_ 4y ago
        Use MDMA regularly when I can afford it, never had hallucinations. Don't know of anyone who's used it and hallucinated either.
- sirsinsalot 4y ago
  This. It's like saying the pleasure you feel when you eat a food you like isn't real. Or the feelings you feel when someone kisses you aren't real. Drawing arbitrary lines around what is real feeling based on the stimuli is very strange and usually driven by ignorance or fear.
  - jojobas 4y ago
    If you made a drug that would make you feel as if you were kissing, you sensation of kissing would not be true, as there would be no kissing going on. Same goes for bonding, closeness and so on. You just tricked your brain into hallucinating emotional responses for things that are not there.
    - sirsinsalot 4y ago
      It is actually more like salt. Salt enhances the flavour of food, MDMA enhances the experience that's already there. It doesn't just invent the feelings, instead amplifies the feelings you have. Is salt just fake taste?
    - coyotespike 4y ago
      I partly agree and partly disagree. If you think MDMA is giving you a feeling of deep friendship with a perfect stranger, then you might be hallucinating the feeling of a long and strong relationship. However, that's not really the feeling you're getting on molly. It's more recognizing the preciousness of our shared humanity. If done with a friend or a lover, this in itself is a genuine bonding experience. If done with a stranger, you're not expecting anything more after the experience, but it still feels valuable.
plsbenice34 4y ago
Many people say something like this about drugs, but it does not seem philosophically or logically sound to me. When you have coffee in the morning and have some increased mood from it does that make the whole day invalid? When you go a run and you body produces enjoyable neurochemicals in your brain, just like taking a drug, is that real? All experiences are just as real and valid regardless of what contributed to creating the experience - if you think otherwise then it seems very hard to justify such an opinion with consistent and sound logic
CuriouslyC 4y ago
Plot twist: we are constantly constructing our feelings from emotionless data. If a drug changes the emotions you generate from data, that's no less valid.
- VMG 4y ago
  would you say the same to a junkie that has soiled himself and is riding on cloud 9?

andy_ppp 4y ago

Because the experiences are different and MDMA is extremely low risk and for most people who take it life affirming in a way other drugs like alcohol and tobacco are not.

sublinear 4y ago
And yet there are many people of all ages who would disagree and say other drugs (including alcohol) were just as life affirming and low risk based on their own life long usage.
- mdhen 4y ago
  Those people clearly have not done MDMA
  - fckgnad 4y ago
    I'm just taking it up a level. I'm guessing the meth user looks at you and says, "You clearly haven't taken Meth." If MDMA users claim it's profound, is it really the same in the eyes of a meth user who has done both MDMA and meth? If the meth user can invalidate the experience with his own, then what does it say in general?
    - Nursie 4y ago
      I challenge you to find a meth user that tells you meth is profound, opening experience that brings you closer to people and helps you know yourself. (edit - rate limited so can't respond below. 'Meth' is a strong stimulant, with some associated euphoria, it's not a profound emotional experience like mdma. Yes I'm speaking from experience. Phenethylamine-derived drugs are massively varied in their effects, see also for example the true-psychedelic mescaline, 2C-x and, well, the whole of Pihkal)
      - fckgnad 4y ago
        I'm looking for a person who has done BOTH meth and MDMA and I want him to compare the experience of each. My guess is that Meth operates on another level of profoundness, one that is both different and significantly higher then MDMA. My guess is that once you take Meth, MDMA isn't really that big of a deal anymore.

_a_a_a_ 4y ago

My experience is not profound. MDMA is just a great night out. End of.