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I'm very pro legalization, I think the government should have no say in what people do with their bodies, and I seek new experiences. That being said, by readin

by 4ad 4y ago

I'm very pro legalization, I think the government should have no say in what people do with their bodies, and I seek new experiences. That being said, by reading what the author said in this article I am so happy I have never done MDMA nor had I anything to do with the culture around it. Conversations that seem profound, but aren't, making drugs part of your identity, thanks, not for me, and not for the type of people I want to be friends with. I am happy the events lived through by the author are perceived as having been positive by her today, but if I would have had the same experiences in my youth I would definitely think I wasted my life.

Nursie 4y ago
Conversations you have in ecstasy often are very profound, you may open up in ways you would not normally. You feel understood, and you feel heightened empathy towards others. You seem very judgemental. Edit: I am rate-limited and cannot respond below, so I'll add here. Your idea that this is all necessarily a false experience is, to put it bluntly, incorrect. You seem to think that people aren't really listening to each other and aren't really understanding each other, but in many cases they really are. I called you judgemental because you said you wouldn't want to be associated with that 'type of people', not because of your choice not to use a substance.
- 4ad 4y ago
  > Conversations you have in ecstasy often are very profound. Often repeated for all kinds of drugs, MDMA, psychedelics, even marijuana users claim this. But in my experience conversations are universally banal and only seem profound. > you may open up in ways you would not normally To me, this sounds like a nightmare. The idea that something artificial could change me in any way. And the idea that people desire this is scary. > You feel understood Exactly, you feel understood without being understood. > You seem very judgemental. For exercising my right to not do something while recognizing the right of others to do it? Oh, the irony.
  - octatrack 4y ago
    > To me, this sounds like a nightmare. The idea that something artificial could change me in any way. And the idea that people desire this is scary. For many, this is the whole point of taking psychedelics - to find self-improvement through these altered states. Science seem to confirm this works. [0] Why does it feel scary to you? [0] Psychedelics and Neuroplasticity: A Systematic Review Unraveling the Biological Underpinnings of Psychedelics - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34566723/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34566723/
    - 4ad 4y ago
      Yes, it works, that is why I don't want it, I am very happy with who I am.
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  - Nursie 4y ago
    > For exercising my right to not do something while recognizing the right of others to do it? Oh, the irony. "not for the type of people I want to be friends with." That's the judgemental piece right there, just so you know for the future. Not that you don't want to do something, that you're writing swathes of people off entirely based on your own misconceptions about what they do want to do. > Exactly, you feel understood without being understood. And this is where you're making incorrect assumptions based on your own biases. I highly recommend you don't touch anything more mind altering than a cup of tea, given your phobia of altered states.
    - 4ad 4y ago
      > that you're writing swathes of people off I have no interest in socializing with religious people, Javascript programmers, gym people, vegans, gamers, modern artists, car enthusiasts, cowboys, cryptocurrency enthusiasts, etc. That doesn't mean that what these people do is wrong, it simply means we have no shared interests or values, and my time is better spent with other people. I pass no judgement on what they are doing, I chose to live my life differently and with other people. > your own misconceptions about what they do want to do. [...] And this is where you're making incorrect assumptions based on your own biases. My experiences with drug enthusiasts were a total waste of my time, again and again. It's fascinating that drug enthusiasts are trying to convince me otherwise. This is exactly one of the reasons why I am have no interest in their company.

by 4ad 4y ago

Nursie 4y ago

Conversations you have in ecstasy often are very profound, you may open up in ways you would not normally. You feel understood, and you feel heightened empathy towards others. You seem very judgemental. Edit: I am rate-limited and cannot respond below, so I'll add here. Your idea that this is all necessarily a false experience is, to put it bluntly, incorrect. You seem to think that people aren't really listening to each other and aren't really understanding each other, but in many cases they really are. I called you judgemental because you said you wouldn't want to be associated with that 'type of people', not because of your choice not to use a substance.

4ad 4y ago
> Conversations you have in ecstasy often are very profound. Often repeated for all kinds of drugs, MDMA, psychedelics, even marijuana users claim this. But in my experience conversations are universally banal and only seem profound. > you may open up in ways you would not normally To me, this sounds like a nightmare. The idea that something artificial could change me in any way. And the idea that people desire this is scary. > You feel understood Exactly, you feel understood without being understood. > You seem very judgemental. For exercising my right to not do something while recognizing the right of others to do it? Oh, the irony.
- octatrack 4y ago
  > To me, this sounds like a nightmare. The idea that something artificial could change me in any way. And the idea that people desire this is scary. For many, this is the whole point of taking psychedelics - to find self-improvement through these altered states. Science seem to confirm this works. [0] Why does it feel scary to you? [0] Psychedelics and Neuroplasticity: A Systematic Review Unraveling the Biological Underpinnings of Psychedelics - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34566723/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34566723/
  - 4ad 4y ago
    Yes, it works, that is why I don't want it, I am very happy with who I am.
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- Nursie 4y ago
  > For exercising my right to not do something while recognizing the right of others to do it? Oh, the irony. "not for the type of people I want to be friends with." That's the judgemental piece right there, just so you know for the future. Not that you don't want to do something, that you're writing swathes of people off entirely based on your own misconceptions about what they do want to do. > Exactly, you feel understood without being understood. And this is where you're making incorrect assumptions based on your own biases. I highly recommend you don't touch anything more mind altering than a cup of tea, given your phobia of altered states.
  - 4ad 4y ago
    > that you're writing swathes of people off I have no interest in socializing with religious people, Javascript programmers, gym people, vegans, gamers, modern artists, car enthusiasts, cowboys, cryptocurrency enthusiasts, etc. That doesn't mean that what these people do is wrong, it simply means we have no shared interests or values, and my time is better spent with other people. I pass no judgement on what they are doing, I chose to live my life differently and with other people. > your own misconceptions about what they do want to do. [...] And this is where you're making incorrect assumptions based on your own biases. My experiences with drug enthusiasts were a total waste of my time, again and again. It's fascinating that drug enthusiasts are trying to convince me otherwise. This is exactly one of the reasons why I am have no interest in their company.