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This is what antitrust regulation can do at its finest; when we had a draft for DMA, it was clear to everyone that Apple cannot block third party browser engine

This is what antitrust regulation can do at its finest; when we had a draft for DMA, it was clear to everyone that Apple cannot block third party browser engine forever. MS has surrendered to Blink and Mozilla is getting irrelevant. So if Apple insists to drive everyone to the App Store ecosystem instead of the Web then Blink will take over the entire browser engine market sooner or later. Which is really bad for customers. I'm happy to see that Apple's now pivoting into the web ecosystem thus bringing real competition back.

scarface74 4y ago
So if Apple “is driving everyone to the App Store instead of the web” and Android browsers are so much better, then why do companies waste time making Android apps instead of telling Android users to just use the web? How many companies are making iOS apps and not Android apps and telling Android users to just use the web?
- summerlight 4y ago
  Oh, what a typical example of whataboutism. We've been talking about iOS and you're bringing not just Android but Android browsers to attack a strawman? Chrome has been a much better development platform than Safari before 2022 but that doesn't necessarily mean it's better than the primary platform API? And why did you think companies will build a web app instead of Android apps when they cannot practically reuse it on iOS? Isn't the whole point of PWA cross-platform? Have you heard about the Apple/Google duopoly structure and how it's working? And about its implications on web development? You looks like assuming that I am defending Android/Google against iOS/Apple. Sorry, I'm a long time iPhone user (about 15 years by now), who believed Steve's HTML5 vision and now just be sick about Safari being nearly unusable as a serious development platform. I am tired of installing 100s of apps just because those companies just wanted to send some weird push notification. Apple is the one to blame and now they're forced to fix that thanks to DMA. You don't have to have that angry of this fact.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    No, I’m saying that since almost every service of note has a website for computers anyway, if it’s only Safari that’s keeping apps from being web apps instead of being “forced” to go through the App Store, then why do companies bother about making a web app and an Android app? > And why did you think companies will build a web app instead of Android apps when they cannot practically reuse it on iOS Because they are already building a web app for computers. > Apple is the one to blame and now they're forced to fix that thanks to DMA. You don't have to have that angry of this fact. And you really think companies are going to all the sudden stop writing native apps? These companies could have already built just an app for iOS and a web app like they do now for computers and not waste time building native apps. And let’s not even go into how shitty and low powered the average Android device is and how badly it performs with native apps and web apps. No I’m not saying that all Android devices are bad. I’m saying that the average $250 Android device is bad - and yes that’s the average selling price of an Android in the US. Android users aren’t buying high end devices.

scarface74 4y ago

So if Apple “is driving everyone to the App Store instead of the web” and Android browsers are so much better, then why do companies waste time making Android apps instead of telling Android users to just use the web? How many companies are making iOS apps and not Android apps and telling Android users to just use the web?

summerlight 4y ago
Oh, what a typical example of whataboutism. We've been talking about iOS and you're bringing not just Android but Android browsers to attack a strawman? Chrome has been a much better development platform than Safari before 2022 but that doesn't necessarily mean it's better than the primary platform API? And why did you think companies will build a web app instead of Android apps when they cannot practically reuse it on iOS? Isn't the whole point of PWA cross-platform? Have you heard about the Apple/Google duopoly structure and how it's working? And about its implications on web development? You looks like assuming that I am defending Android/Google against iOS/Apple. Sorry, I'm a long time iPhone user (about 15 years by now), who believed Steve's HTML5 vision and now just be sick about Safari being nearly unusable as a serious development platform. I am tired of installing 100s of apps just because those companies just wanted to send some weird push notification. Apple is the one to blame and now they're forced to fix that thanks to DMA. You don't have to have that angry of this fact.
- scarface74 4y ago
  No, I’m saying that since almost every service of note has a website for computers anyway, if it’s only Safari that’s keeping apps from being web apps instead of being “forced” to go through the App Store, then why do companies bother about making a web app and an Android app? > And why did you think companies will build a web app instead of Android apps when they cannot practically reuse it on iOS Because they are already building a web app for computers. > Apple is the one to blame and now they're forced to fix that thanks to DMA. You don't have to have that angry of this fact. And you really think companies are going to all the sudden stop writing native apps? These companies could have already built just an app for iOS and a web app like they do now for computers and not waste time building native apps. And let’s not even go into how shitty and low powered the average Android device is and how badly it performs with native apps and web apps. No I’m not saying that all Android devices are bad. I’m saying that the average $250 Android device is bad - and yes that’s the average selling price of an Android in the US. Android users aren’t buying high end devices.