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It won't be an issue for much longer - once support is phased out for Intel-based macs they'll be left behind.

userbinator 4y ago
Don't underestimate the Hackintosh community --- if they could create an SSSE3 emulator to allow installing macOS on CPUs that didn't even have the required instructions, and completely rebuild kernels too, I don't think getting macOS to run on whatever other non-Apple ARM system happens to become popular is out of the question. Shortly after the M1 released, this happened: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25064593 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25064593
- bmitc 4y ago
  What drives the Hackintosh community?
  - joshmn 4y ago
    It’s really quite fun. Maddening at times, but fun. For me, back in the day, it was about power: I wanted a Trash Can Pro for development (I had a fully-specced retina MacBook Pro) but I didn’t want to pay Apple tax; I already had a gaming rig. So I dual booted.
    - SOLAR_FIELDS 4y ago
      At some point “Because it’s technically possible” is a huge motivator for some reason. I was doing Hackintosh circa 2014-2015 and even then, barely knowledgeable about software, I was able to hack through all sorts of esoteric kernel and kext issues to get my machine running. A decade later as a software engineer I still can’t explain half of the issues I encountered and overcame back then. Mostly due to incredibly intelligent hackers and other enthusiasts like myself sharing issues and how they resolved them on forums.
  - gary17the 4y ago
    iOS development has to be performed exclusively under macOS. Effectively, many iOS developers not only do not want to pay for Apple hardware that is usually grossly overpriced for its capabilities, but also strongly desire to use absolutely top-of-the-line non-Apple hardware that is way more powerful than what Apple is offering, to run their daily macOS development workstations. ... And hacking entire operating systems under virtual machines is just fun :).
    - Maursault 4y ago
      > do not want to pay for Apple hardware that is usually grossly overpriced for its capabilities This is the myth that just won't die even though every fair comparison of Mac hardware to available PC hardware, carefully matching feature for feature, reveals prices within $100 of each other. What you don't want to pay for is the features that you're not interested in, such as perhaps Thunderbolt ports.
      - deadlocked 4y ago
        And of course the physical characteristics - yes, that ASUS laptop has the same or a slightly better technical spec than the MacBook Pro that I want, but it's also made out of plastic and it's half-an-inch thick!
      - gary17the 4y ago
        I don't know about cost effectiveness of Apple laptops, since I never use small-screen devices for daily work, but if you are willing to put together a desktop workstation with your own hands from components you hunt down individually at online sales and install the free Linux, you will not spend even half of the cost of a Mac Pro, which has not even been upgraded by Apple since 2019. The 2023 Mac Pro is to cost from $6K to the insane $10K.
        Maursault 4y ago
        > if you are willing to put together a desktop workstation with your own hands from components you hunt down individually at online sales and install the free Linux, you will not spend even half of the cost of a Mac Pro Show me this put together beige box, and I will show you a machine with missing features found in the Mac Pro. Then you will say, "I didn't want that stuff, I would never use it," but when added in, the prices will be within a close margin.
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - TradingPlaces 4y ago
    Can’t speak to others but I at the beginning of all this (late 2000s?), I used to build Hackintoshes and briefly sort of made it my life’s purpose to turn all my friends’s Windows PCs into dual boot. For myself, I needed a lot of parallel processing, and Mac Pro back then just got you so far. For friends, it was because I’m a Mac shill. This was my way of getting them to buy a Mac when the future of the platform was still a little uncertain. I still have a “MacBook Nano” which was an ASUS netbook that dual booted
  - skrowl 4y ago
    Apple's insane hardware pricing

Don't underestimate the Hackintosh community --- if they could create an SSSE3 emulator to allow installing macOS on CPUs that didn't even have the required instructions, and completely rebuild kernels too, I don't think getting macOS to run on whatever other non-Apple ARM system happens to become popular is out of the question. Shortly after the M1 released, this happened: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25064593 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25064593

bmitc 4y ago
What drives the Hackintosh community?
- joshmn 4y ago
  It’s really quite fun. Maddening at times, but fun. For me, back in the day, it was about power: I wanted a Trash Can Pro for development (I had a fully-specced retina MacBook Pro) but I didn’t want to pay Apple tax; I already had a gaming rig. So I dual booted.
  - SOLAR_FIELDS 4y ago
    At some point “Because it’s technically possible” is a huge motivator for some reason. I was doing Hackintosh circa 2014-2015 and even then, barely knowledgeable about software, I was able to hack through all sorts of esoteric kernel and kext issues to get my machine running. A decade later as a software engineer I still can’t explain half of the issues I encountered and overcame back then. Mostly due to incredibly intelligent hackers and other enthusiasts like myself sharing issues and how they resolved them on forums.
- gary17the 4y ago
  iOS development has to be performed exclusively under macOS. Effectively, many iOS developers not only do not want to pay for Apple hardware that is usually grossly overpriced for its capabilities, but also strongly desire to use absolutely top-of-the-line non-Apple hardware that is way more powerful than what Apple is offering, to run their daily macOS development workstations. ... And hacking entire operating systems under virtual machines is just fun :).
  - Maursault 4y ago
    > do not want to pay for Apple hardware that is usually grossly overpriced for its capabilities This is the myth that just won't die even though every fair comparison of Mac hardware to available PC hardware, carefully matching feature for feature, reveals prices within $100 of each other. What you don't want to pay for is the features that you're not interested in, such as perhaps Thunderbolt ports.
    - deadlocked 4y ago
      And of course the physical characteristics - yes, that ASUS laptop has the same or a slightly better technical spec than the MacBook Pro that I want, but it's also made out of plastic and it's half-an-inch thick!
    - gary17the 4y ago
      I don't know about cost effectiveness of Apple laptops, since I never use small-screen devices for daily work, but if you are willing to put together a desktop workstation with your own hands from components you hunt down individually at online sales and install the free Linux, you will not spend even half of the cost of a Mac Pro, which has not even been upgraded by Apple since 2019. The 2023 Mac Pro is to cost from $6K to the insane $10K.
      - Maursault 4y ago
        > if you are willing to put together a desktop workstation with your own hands from components you hunt down individually at online sales and install the free Linux, you will not spend even half of the cost of a Mac Pro Show me this put together beige box, and I will show you a machine with missing features found in the Mac Pro. Then you will say, "I didn't want that stuff, I would never use it," but when added in, the prices will be within a close margin.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- TradingPlaces 4y ago
  Can’t speak to others but I at the beginning of all this (late 2000s?), I used to build Hackintoshes and briefly sort of made it my life’s purpose to turn all my friends’s Windows PCs into dual boot. For myself, I needed a lot of parallel processing, and Mac Pro back then just got you so far. For friends, it was because I’m a Mac shill. This was my way of getting them to buy a Mac when the future of the platform was still a little uncertain. I still have a “MacBook Nano” which was an ASUS netbook that dual booted
- skrowl 4y ago
  Apple's insane hardware pricing