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If you’re building a web based messaging app notifications are pretty crucial. Safari not having proper webpush was a major pain in these cases.

by padjo 4y ago

olliej 4y ago
If you're offering a web based messaging app, I am assuming that no matter how "secure" you may claim it is, your site is filled with spyware that connects to every other website in my browser. To me that's a big negative, and so I'm not going to trust it. As a byproduct I am uninterested in allowing a "secure message" website the ability to spam me when I'm not on that site. If I decide I like/need your service I would expect an app to be available, because again, I don't want the constant threat of my messages being tied to the identity the various spyware companies have built from my browsing. I also don't want to have to switch to my browser and then find the message tab or wait for a giant multi-meg web app to download again. If Safari limits access to the spam API to just home screened pages then I wouldn't mind the addition of notification spam: creating a home screen app is a reasonable indication the user does value a site highly, and more importantly limits the ability of random sites to spam me with notification requests. Don't get me wrong, I understand that you can make mediocre cross platform webapps more easily than actual good apps, it's just that as a user I don't care. The argument "this is easier for me" falls flat because plenty of other people have been able to make apps, and those apps are typically better, but they actually get basic platform behavior correct. Failing that you can make an electron or similar app, and have all the crappy cross-platform BS, but hey at least you get to ask to spam me and you can't sell me out with spyware linked to my normal browser instance.

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If you’re building a web based messaging app notifications are pretty crucial. Safari not having proper webpush was a major pain in these cases.

by padjo 4y ago

If you’re building a web based messaging app notifications are pretty crucial. Safari not having proper webpush was a major pain in these cases.

olliej 4y ago
If you're offering a web based messaging app, I am assuming that no matter how "secure" you may claim it is, your site is filled with spyware that connects to every other website in my browser. To me that's a big negative, and so I'm not going to trust it. As a byproduct I am uninterested in allowing a "secure message" website the ability to spam me when I'm not on that site. If I decide I like/need your service I would expect an app to be available, because again, I don't want the constant threat of my messages being tied to the identity the various spyware companies have built from my browsing. I also don't want to have to switch to my browser and then find the message tab or wait for a giant multi-meg web app to download again. If Safari limits access to the spam API to just home screened pages then I wouldn't mind the addition of notification spam: creating a home screen app is a reasonable indication the user does value a site highly, and more importantly limits the ability of random sites to spam me with notification requests. Don't get me wrong, I understand that you can make mediocre cross platform webapps more easily than actual good apps, it's just that as a user I don't care. The argument "this is easier for me" falls flat because plenty of other people have been able to make apps, and those apps are typically better, but they actually get basic platform behavior correct. Failing that you can make an electron or similar app, and have all the crappy cross-platform BS, but hey at least you get to ask to spam me and you can't sell me out with spyware linked to my normal browser instance.