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This is the first time I read about this. How on earth is this not an April’s fools joke? Apple allows you to run a maximum of 2 virtual machines on Apple hard

by nier 4y ago

This is the first time I read about this. How on earth is this not an April’s fools joke? Apple allows you to run a maximum of 2 virtual machines on Apple hardware. Someone is going to get sued by Apple for going against this part of the license agreement and I must say I really like that thought because the result of that trial will give clarity to the rest of us. We had to deal with a gray area in our project as well. DeepL does not allow use of their translator in critical infrastructure. Our client is in the transportation business and has been using DeepL for years to translate emails. They wanted to integrate DeepL into a customer portal that we develop for them. When we told them that we will not be complicit in breaking DeepL’s license agreement, they weren’t too happy.

userbinator 4y ago
Apple has largely left the Hackintosh community alone. It seems like they're not interested in going after anything but those trying to commercialise it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psystar_Corporation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psystar_Corporation
- philjohn 4y ago
  It won't be an issue for much longer - once support is phased out for Intel-based macs they'll be left behind.
  - userbinator 4y ago
    Don't underestimate the Hackintosh community --- if they could create an SSSE3 emulator to allow installing macOS on CPUs that didn't even have the required instructions, and completely rebuild kernels too, I don't think getting macOS to run on whatever other non-Apple ARM system happens to become popular is out of the question. Shortly after the M1 released, this happened: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25064593 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25064593
    - bmitc 4y ago
      What drives the Hackintosh community?
      - joshmn 4y ago
        It’s really quite fun. Maddening at times, but fun. For me, back in the day, it was about power: I wanted a Trash Can Pro for development (I had a fully-specced retina MacBook Pro) but I didn’t want to pay Apple tax; I already had a gaming rig. So I dual booted.
        SOLAR_FIELDS 4y ago
        At some point “Because it’s technically possible” is a huge motivator for some reason. I was doing Hackintosh circa 2014-2015 and even then, barely knowledgeable about software, I was able to hack through all sorts of esoteric kernel and kext issues to get my machine running. A decade later as a software engineer I still can’t explain half of the issues I encountered and overcame back then. Mostly due to incredibly intelligent hackers and other enthusiasts like myself sharing issues and how they resolved them on forums.
      - gary17the 4y ago
        iOS development has to be performed exclusively under macOS. Effectively, many iOS developers not only do not want to pay for Apple hardware that is usually grossly overpriced for its capabilities, but also strongly desire to use absolutely top-of-the-line non-Apple hardware that is way more powerful than what Apple is offering, to run their daily macOS development workstations. ... And hacking entire operating systems under virtual machines is just fun :).
        Maursault 4y ago
        > do not want to pay for Apple hardware that is usually grossly overpriced for its capabilities This is the myth that just won't die even though every fair comparison of Mac hardware to available PC hardware, carefully matching feature for feature, reveals prices within $100 of each other. What you don't want to pay for is the features that you're not interested in, such as perhaps Thunderbolt ports.
zxcvbn4038 4y ago
I think there is a different perspective - MacBooks are great development machines, pretty much everything builds without modification, if you need a true linux environment you can always spin one up with docker. I’d bet you that people running MacOS in VMs leads to people running MacOS on their shiny new MacBook. If you had told me thirty years ago that one day I’d be developing on a Mac I would have laughed, but once I had one I realized developing under Windows was a pain - everything is unnecessarily difficult because Microsoft wants you to develop FOR windows and they want you giving money to all their partners who forever have their hands out, and they make everything else hard. It’s like a pain that never goes away - you can learn to ignore it but at some level it’s always there.

by nier 4y ago

userbinator 4y ago

Apple has largely left the Hackintosh community alone. It seems like they're not interested in going after anything but those trying to commercialise it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psystar_Corporation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psystar_Corporation

philjohn 4y ago
It won't be an issue for much longer - once support is phased out for Intel-based macs they'll be left behind.
- userbinator 4y ago
  Don't underestimate the Hackintosh community --- if they could create an SSSE3 emulator to allow installing macOS on CPUs that didn't even have the required instructions, and completely rebuild kernels too, I don't think getting macOS to run on whatever other non-Apple ARM system happens to become popular is out of the question. Shortly after the M1 released, this happened: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25064593 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25064593
  - bmitc 4y ago
    What drives the Hackintosh community?
    - joshmn 4y ago
      It’s really quite fun. Maddening at times, but fun. For me, back in the day, it was about power: I wanted a Trash Can Pro for development (I had a fully-specced retina MacBook Pro) but I didn’t want to pay Apple tax; I already had a gaming rig. So I dual booted.
      - SOLAR_FIELDS 4y ago
        At some point “Because it’s technically possible” is a huge motivator for some reason. I was doing Hackintosh circa 2014-2015 and even then, barely knowledgeable about software, I was able to hack through all sorts of esoteric kernel and kext issues to get my machine running. A decade later as a software engineer I still can’t explain half of the issues I encountered and overcame back then. Mostly due to incredibly intelligent hackers and other enthusiasts like myself sharing issues and how they resolved them on forums.
    - gary17the 4y ago
      iOS development has to be performed exclusively under macOS. Effectively, many iOS developers not only do not want to pay for Apple hardware that is usually grossly overpriced for its capabilities, but also strongly desire to use absolutely top-of-the-line non-Apple hardware that is way more powerful than what Apple is offering, to run their daily macOS development workstations. ... And hacking entire operating systems under virtual machines is just fun :).
      - Maursault 4y ago
        > do not want to pay for Apple hardware that is usually grossly overpriced for its capabilities This is the myth that just won't die even though every fair comparison of Mac hardware to available PC hardware, carefully matching feature for feature, reveals prices within $100 of each other. What you don't want to pay for is the features that you're not interested in, such as perhaps Thunderbolt ports.

zxcvbn4038 4y ago

I think there is a different perspective - MacBooks are great development machines, pretty much everything builds without modification, if you need a true linux environment you can always spin one up with docker. I’d bet you that people running MacOS in VMs leads to people running MacOS on their shiny new MacBook. If you had told me thirty years ago that one day I’d be developing on a Mac I would have laughed, but once I had one I realized developing under Windows was a pain - everything is unnecessarily difficult because Microsoft wants you to develop FOR windows and they want you giving money to all their partners who forever have their hands out, and they make everything else hard. It’s like a pain that never goes away - you can learn to ignore it but at some level it’s always there.