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So bizarre that there are devs think we want webpages with the ability to spam them. Literally the last thing I want from a random website is notification spam

by olliej 4y ago

So bizarre that there are devs think we want webpages with the ability to spam them. Literally the last thing I want from a random website is notification spams and pop up, but woooooo soon I guess I’ll have to get used to pop ups asking me to receive ads from websites all over again.

padjo 4y ago
If you’re building a web based messaging app notifications are pretty crucial. Safari not having proper webpush was a major pain in these cases.
- olliej 4y ago
  If you're offering a web based messaging app, I am assuming that no matter how "secure" you may claim it is, your site is filled with spyware that connects to every other website in my browser. To me that's a big negative, and so I'm not going to trust it. As a byproduct I am uninterested in allowing a "secure message" website the ability to spam me when I'm not on that site. If I decide I like/need your service I would expect an app to be available, because again, I don't want the constant threat of my messages being tied to the identity the various spyware companies have built from my browsing. I also don't want to have to switch to my browser and then find the message tab or wait for a giant multi-meg web app to download again. If Safari limits access to the spam API to just home screened pages then I wouldn't mind the addition of notification spam: creating a home screen app is a reasonable indication the user does value a site highly, and more importantly limits the ability of random sites to spam me with notification requests. Don't get me wrong, I understand that you can make mediocre cross platform webapps more easily than actual good apps, it's just that as a user I don't care. The argument "this is easier for me" falls flat because plenty of other people have been able to make apps, and those apps are typically better, but they actually get basic platform behavior correct. Failing that you can make an electron or similar app, and have all the crappy cross-platform BS, but hey at least you get to ask to spam me and you can't sell me out with spyware linked to my normal browser instance.
Tepix 4y ago
Let's say you write an email client as a web app. Or a twitter client. Or perhaps an encrypted voice telephony webapp. Of course it is important for them to deliver notifications for those who want to receive them. This isn't about regular web pages that want to annoy you.
- scarface74 4y ago
  And if I am using an encrypted telephony app, I want it to integrate with the native phone dialer, recent messages, etc. I also want it to behave like a phone call when my phone is paired to my car using Bluetooth. All of my third party calling apps do that now.
- olliej 4y ago
  > This isn't about regular web pages that want to annoy you. I can't wait to see what the proportion of "hey let us spam you" requests from sites is to sites that have any reasonable justification. I'm guessing it won't be good. Just as happened with the first API that gave sites notifications.

by olliej 4y ago

padjo 4y ago

If you’re building a web based messaging app notifications are pretty crucial. Safari not having proper webpush was a major pain in these cases.

olliej 4y ago
If you're offering a web based messaging app, I am assuming that no matter how "secure" you may claim it is, your site is filled with spyware that connects to every other website in my browser. To me that's a big negative, and so I'm not going to trust it. As a byproduct I am uninterested in allowing a "secure message" website the ability to spam me when I'm not on that site. If I decide I like/need your service I would expect an app to be available, because again, I don't want the constant threat of my messages being tied to the identity the various spyware companies have built from my browsing. I also don't want to have to switch to my browser and then find the message tab or wait for a giant multi-meg web app to download again. If Safari limits access to the spam API to just home screened pages then I wouldn't mind the addition of notification spam: creating a home screen app is a reasonable indication the user does value a site highly, and more importantly limits the ability of random sites to spam me with notification requests. Don't get me wrong, I understand that you can make mediocre cross platform webapps more easily than actual good apps, it's just that as a user I don't care. The argument "this is easier for me" falls flat because plenty of other people have been able to make apps, and those apps are typically better, but they actually get basic platform behavior correct. Failing that you can make an electron or similar app, and have all the crappy cross-platform BS, but hey at least you get to ask to spam me and you can't sell me out with spyware linked to my normal browser instance.

Tepix 4y ago

Let's say you write an email client as a web app. Or a twitter client. Or perhaps an encrypted voice telephony webapp. Of course it is important for them to deliver notifications for those who want to receive them. This isn't about regular web pages that want to annoy you.

scarface74 4y ago
And if I am using an encrypted telephony app, I want it to integrate with the native phone dialer, recent messages, etc. I also want it to behave like a phone call when my phone is paired to my car using Bluetooth. All of my third party calling apps do that now.
olliej 4y ago
> This isn't about regular web pages that want to annoy you. I can't wait to see what the proportion of "hey let us spam you" requests from sites is to sites that have any reasonable justification. I'm guessing it won't be good. Just as happened with the first API that gave sites notifications.