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I just wish TVs were just the panel without all the smart features. I only use the Apple TV anyways.

by smolyeet 4y ago

miah_ 4y ago
Google Dumb TV, there are still plenty of vendors selling them. They are frequently seen in Airports..
- djbusby 4y ago
  Alibaba has them. I'm running a Scepter 2018 model, just cause it's dumb. Smart devices, dumb display.
- vladvasiliu 4y ago
  > They are frequently seen in Airports.. You mean for advertising, showing timetables, etc? Those are usually "digital signage" panels. Colors may or may not be OK on those, but there are two things to keep in mind: 1. They are outrageously expensive because they're made to be run blindingly bright 24/7. 2. They are less and less dumb, complete with ridiculously long startup times. The company I work for uses these. And while a few years ago only the higher-priced ones used to feature "smart" features, the "cheaper" ones now have them, too. Now, in our case, we like those because it allows us to control the screens from a central location, and they don't require setting up a Raspberry Pi or similar to show content on them. But "dumb" they are not anymore. They're typically running some form of Android or Samsung's Tizen. I don't directly use them, so I don't know the details, but a quick glance at Samsung's website seems to show that consumer models use Tizen, too.
dontknowwhyihn 4y ago
Get a short throw projector. You can plug an apple tv into it and project whatever you want on the wall. It’s the perfect dumb screen.
- thrwawy74 4y ago
  I really enjoy the color reproduction on true OLEDs.
cfn 4y ago
There are LG (and other's) OLED monitors that do away with all the nonsense. They only go up to 48'' though.
- smolder 4y ago
  It doesn't compare to Frank's 2000 inch tv... But 48" is plenty. If you need more than that you can get a projector. Vote with your money and don't buy smart TVs! They're almost universally user-hostile trash.
holoduke 4y ago
I got myself a 60 inch samsung monitor screen for a 1000 euros. Ok its 60hz and no fancy colors. But its more than enough for me.
867-5309 4y ago
in the UK, Cello make dumb variants of their smart TVs, up to 50" 4K
ianai 4y ago
I wonder how difficult it would be to stand up a new panel manufacturer or just tv manufacturer? The current prices of TVs makes it seem cheaper than the past, but could be just locking out entrants.
cube2222 4y ago
I'm using an apple tv with a fairly new LG OLED and never get any ads (I do let it update). So I think it's just in the WebOS, which I don't really ever use. In other words, you can use it as a stupid panel and not get ads.
daemin 4y ago
Don't worry, Apple TV will soon get ads and the experience will be much the same as the "Smart" TVs. I'm pretty sure the smart features were put into TVs so they could become the one entertainment device just like those external set top boxes in the early 2000's. All consumer media hardware is headed in this direction of having advertisements, even in paid/subscription services. I base this on the fact that Foxtel (effectively the one and only paid TV service in Australia) has more ads per hour than free to air TV as people that pay a subscription are considered to have a higher income than ones that don't.
- sgjohnson 4y ago
  > Apple TV will soon get ads and the experience will be much the same as the "Smart" TVs. Which would completely kill the reason to buy it. I highly doubt that Apple is going to do that.
  - cjbgkagh 4y ago
    Adding ads to a product is one of the easiest ways to get a huge bonus. All of the revenue is attributed to you and most of the reputation is diffused throughout the company and only occurs much later. This almost guarantees that at lesson one person is working on it, without a strong customer focused leadership it’s hard to say no to that amount of money.
  - daemin 4y ago
    They put in ads into iOS, why wouldn't they put in ads in Apple TV?
    - sgjohnson 4y ago
      They did?
      - amanaplanacanal 4y ago
        I think they are talking about App Store. And maybe the nag in settings to “finish setting up your iPhone”
rewgs 4y ago
I just use a PC plugged into my TV, and a wireless keyboard/trackpad. I don’t see a reason to get an Apple TV or similar —- typing anything is such a pain, and the trend is that no matter what, you’re eventually gonna see some ads. Ublock Origin in a browser is still working great, though.

I just wish TVs were just the panel without all the smart features. I only use the Apple TV anyways.

miah_ 4y ago

Google Dumb TV, there are still plenty of vendors selling them. They are frequently seen in Airports..

djbusby 4y ago
Alibaba has them. I'm running a Scepter 2018 model, just cause it's dumb. Smart devices, dumb display.
vladvasiliu 4y ago
> They are frequently seen in Airports.. You mean for advertising, showing timetables, etc? Those are usually "digital signage" panels. Colors may or may not be OK on those, but there are two things to keep in mind: 1. They are outrageously expensive because they're made to be run blindingly bright 24/7. 2. They are less and less dumb, complete with ridiculously long startup times. The company I work for uses these. And while a few years ago only the higher-priced ones used to feature "smart" features, the "cheaper" ones now have them, too. Now, in our case, we like those because it allows us to control the screens from a central location, and they don't require setting up a Raspberry Pi or similar to show content on them. But "dumb" they are not anymore. They're typically running some form of Android or Samsung's Tizen. I don't directly use them, so I don't know the details, but a quick glance at Samsung's website seems to show that consumer models use Tizen, too.

dontknowwhyihn 4y ago

Get a short throw projector. You can plug an apple tv into it and project whatever you want on the wall. It’s the perfect dumb screen.

thrwawy74 4y ago
I really enjoy the color reproduction on true OLEDs.

cfn 4y ago

There are LG (and other's) OLED monitors that do away with all the nonsense. They only go up to 48'' though.

smolder 4y ago
It doesn't compare to Frank's 2000 inch tv... But 48" is plenty. If you need more than that you can get a projector. Vote with your money and don't buy smart TVs! They're almost universally user-hostile trash.

holoduke 4y ago

I got myself a 60 inch samsung monitor screen for a 1000 euros. Ok its 60hz and no fancy colors. But its more than enough for me.

867-5309 4y ago

in the UK, Cello make dumb variants of their smart TVs, up to 50" 4K

ianai 4y ago

I wonder how difficult it would be to stand up a new panel manufacturer or just tv manufacturer? The current prices of TVs makes it seem cheaper than the past, but could be just locking out entrants.

cube2222 4y ago

I'm using an apple tv with a fairly new LG OLED and never get any ads (I do let it update). So I think it's just in the WebOS, which I don't really ever use. In other words, you can use it as a stupid panel and not get ads.

daemin 4y ago

Don't worry, Apple TV will soon get ads and the experience will be much the same as the "Smart" TVs. I'm pretty sure the smart features were put into TVs so they could become the one entertainment device just like those external set top boxes in the early 2000's. All consumer media hardware is headed in this direction of having advertisements, even in paid/subscription services. I base this on the fact that Foxtel (effectively the one and only paid TV service in Australia) has more ads per hour than free to air TV as people that pay a subscription are considered to have a higher income than ones that don't.

sgjohnson 4y ago
> Apple TV will soon get ads and the experience will be much the same as the "Smart" TVs. Which would completely kill the reason to buy it. I highly doubt that Apple is going to do that.
- cjbgkagh 4y ago
  Adding ads to a product is one of the easiest ways to get a huge bonus. All of the revenue is attributed to you and most of the reputation is diffused throughout the company and only occurs much later. This almost guarantees that at lesson one person is working on it, without a strong customer focused leadership it’s hard to say no to that amount of money.
- daemin 4y ago
  They put in ads into iOS, why wouldn't they put in ads in Apple TV?
  - sgjohnson 4y ago
    They did?
    - amanaplanacanal 4y ago
      I think they are talking about App Store. And maybe the nag in settings to “finish setting up your iPhone”

rewgs 4y ago

I just use a PC plugged into my TV, and a wireless keyboard/trackpad. I don’t see a reason to get an Apple TV or similar —- typing anything is such a pain, and the trend is that no matter what, you’re eventually gonna see some ads. Ublock Origin in a browser is still working great, though.