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What Emacs users want is a version of Smalltalk with a superior keyboard driven experience, featuring which-key et al. > I'm always struck by the useful direct

What Emacs users want is a version of Smalltalk with a superior keyboard driven experience, featuring which-key et al. > I'm always struck by the useful directions that desktop computers were going in the 70s, and how computing could be so much better than it is right now. But we've veered so off-course from all of this, away from composability and towards independent boxes ("applications") that can't talk to each other at all. This is the consequence of deliberate corporate agendas, but many people are still in denial of that. The worse thing that happened to this kind of computing was the policy of forcing everything through the web interface, which was deliberately crippled to let the industry majors to get a heads up in browser based software.

msla 4y ago
> What Emacs users want is a version of Smalltalk with a superior keyboard driven experience, featuring which-key et al. No, more like Interlisp, which is kinda like Smalltalk in terms of being an active environment, only without having to deal with... you know... Smalltalk in order to use it. Plus, there's something to be said for a plan that's probably now mostly forgotten, to re-write Emacs to use Guile as its language and compile other languages to Guile so programmers could extend it in any of multiple languages and they'd all interoperate. The target language doesn't have to be Guile, of course; the modern conception would likely involve WASM and/or LLVM bitcode. https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/GuileEmacs https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/GuileEmacs
- snamellit 4y ago
  Interestingly TJ Devries just did something like that for neovim. He made a transpiler from vim9script to Lua to allow compatibility. I found that around neovim there is a similar crafting vibe you find around Emacs.
  - vfclists 4y ago
    And they've got Fennel and some Fennel based frameworks to enable them to configure the Vim settings in a Lisp.

msla 4y ago

> What Emacs users want is a version of Smalltalk with a superior keyboard driven experience, featuring which-key et al. No, more like Interlisp, which is kinda like Smalltalk in terms of being an active environment, only without having to deal with... you know... Smalltalk in order to use it. Plus, there's something to be said for a plan that's probably now mostly forgotten, to re-write Emacs to use Guile as its language and compile other languages to Guile so programmers could extend it in any of multiple languages and they'd all interoperate. The target language doesn't have to be Guile, of course; the modern conception would likely involve WASM and/or LLVM bitcode. https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/GuileEmacs https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/GuileEmacs

snamellit 4y ago
Interestingly TJ Devries just did something like that for neovim. He made a transpiler from vim9script to Lua to allow compatibility. I found that around neovim there is a similar crafting vibe you find around Emacs.
- vfclists 4y ago
  And they've got Fennel and some Fennel based frameworks to enable them to configure the Vim settings in a Lisp.