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> You up for paying for all that Oh, so my tax dollars should only pay for what you want, roads for cars, but god forbid they pay for what I want? Typical car

> You up for paying for all that Oh, so my tax dollars should only pay for what you want, roads for cars, but god forbid they pay for what I want? Typical car driver entitlement, the country spends tens of billions a year to build new roads and intersections, but propose a cycle lane and they come out in droves screaming its a waste of money. How dare you demand that 1% of public space is dedicated to other modes of trasport. And when I take my cycle to the same damn road car drivers treat me like some unwashed illegal immigrant invading your private elite club.

Dalewyn 4y ago
I'm being serious: Are you willing to pony up the cash and time for "all you need is to"? You put it like this is as easy as flipping a switch, when in reality it's probably harder than moving the Earth itself.
- ClumsyPilot 4y ago
  I am already ponying up the cash. Do you, for some reason, think that car centric cities come for free and putting in a bike lane costs more that a highway does? What is hard, bike lanes? Ebikes?
  - Dalewyn 4y ago
    >putting in a bike lane costs more that a highway does? Yes. A proper bike lane requires: * Expanding the road, which might involve demolishing some/many town blocks. * Adding proper separators and dividers between car and bike. * Changing the layout of the town so biking to destinations is actually practical. * Slowly changing the minds of the residents. This isn't as simple as painting some white lines and calling it a day.
    - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
      This is a complete fabrication, nobody demolishes building to create bikelanes. we take a lane away from motorized traffic.
      - Dalewyn 4y ago
        Thanks for demonstrating your sheer lack of credentials on the subject. Just taking space away from cars, painting some more white lines, and calling it a day leads to: * Increased car congestion. * Drivers annoyed at the cyclists disrupting car traffic, if there are any, and the bike lanes making driving in general hazardous and inconvenient. * Cyclists (if there are any) fearful of the hunks of metal several tons heavy barreling around right next to them. * Underutilized bike lanes because cyclists have no practical destinations to go to; a layout for cars is not a layout for bicycles. Ultimately noone's happy, tons of taxpayer dollars are spent for naught, time is wasted. No thank you.

Dalewyn 4y ago

I'm being serious: Are you willing to pony up the cash and time for "all you need is to"? You put it like this is as easy as flipping a switch, when in reality it's probably harder than moving the Earth itself.

ClumsyPilot 4y ago
I am already ponying up the cash. Do you, for some reason, think that car centric cities come for free and putting in a bike lane costs more that a highway does? What is hard, bike lanes? Ebikes?
- Dalewyn 4y ago
  >putting in a bike lane costs more that a highway does? Yes. A proper bike lane requires: * Expanding the road, which might involve demolishing some/many town blocks. * Adding proper separators and dividers between car and bike. * Changing the layout of the town so biking to destinations is actually practical. * Slowly changing the minds of the residents. This isn't as simple as painting some white lines and calling it a day.
  - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
    This is a complete fabrication, nobody demolishes building to create bikelanes. we take a lane away from motorized traffic.
    - Dalewyn 4y ago
      Thanks for demonstrating your sheer lack of credentials on the subject. Just taking space away from cars, painting some more white lines, and calling it a day leads to: * Increased car congestion. * Drivers annoyed at the cyclists disrupting car traffic, if there are any, and the bike lanes making driving in general hazardous and inconvenient. * Cyclists (if there are any) fearful of the hunks of metal several tons heavy barreling around right next to them. * Underutilized bike lanes because cyclists have no practical destinations to go to; a layout for cars is not a layout for bicycles. Ultimately noone's happy, tons of taxpayer dollars are spent for naught, time is wasted. No thank you.