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> Whatever outcome is going to happen is more or less already certainly happening, there aren’t many levers or much that can be changed. Fossil fuels being most

> Whatever outcome is going to happen is more or less already certainly happening, there aren’t many levers or much that can be changed. Fossil fuels being mostly replaced is inevitable, climate effects good and bad from all the carbon added are likewise inevitable. This is basically climate illiterate.c Ebikes have saved more carbon emissions that all EV vehicles combined. All you need is to. make cities suitable for cycling, and habd out free ebikes, and you would save about a degree of planet-wide heating. Thats the difference between having a global famine and avoiding one.

Dalewyn 4y ago
>All you need is to You up for paying for all that (and I mean /all/ that) and putting in the manhours (and I mean /all/ the manhours)? One of the chief reasons I roll my eyes at urban armchair environmentalists is because they have an understanding of the human world very far detached from reality.
- ClumsyPilot 4y ago
  > You up for paying for all that Oh, so my tax dollars should only pay for what you want, roads for cars, but god forbid they pay for what I want? Typical car driver entitlement, the country spends tens of billions a year to build new roads and intersections, but propose a cycle lane and they come out in droves screaming its a waste of money. How dare you demand that 1% of public space is dedicated to other modes of trasport. And when I take my cycle to the same damn road car drivers treat me like some unwashed illegal immigrant invading your private elite club.
  - Dalewyn 4y ago
    I'm being serious: Are you willing to pony up the cash and time for "all you need is to"? You put it like this is as easy as flipping a switch, when in reality it's probably harder than moving the Earth itself.
    - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
      I am already ponying up the cash. Do you, for some reason, think that car centric cities come for free and putting in a bike lane costs more that a highway does? What is hard, bike lanes? Ebikes?
      - Dalewyn 4y ago
        >putting in a bike lane costs more that a highway does? Yes. A proper bike lane requires: * Expanding the road, which might involve demolishing some/many town blocks. * Adding proper separators and dividers between car and bike. * Changing the layout of the town so biking to destinations is actually practical. * Slowly changing the minds of the residents. This isn't as simple as painting some white lines and calling it a day.
        ClumsyPilot 4y ago
        This is a complete fabrication, nobody demolishes building to create bikelanes. we take a lane away from motorized traffic.
        Dalewyn 4y ago
        Thanks for demonstrating your sheer lack of credentials on the subject. Just taking space away from cars, painting some more white lines, and calling it a day leads to: * Increased car congestion. * Drivers annoyed at the cyclists disrupting car traffic, if there are any, and the bike lanes making driving in general hazardous and inconvenient. * Cyclists (if there are any) fearful of the hunks of metal several tons heavy barreling around right next to them. * Underutilized bike lanes because cyclists have no practical destinations to go to; a layout for cars is not a layout for bicycles. Ultimately noone's happy, tons of taxpayer dollars are spent for naught, time is wasted. No thank you.

Dalewyn 4y ago

>All you need is to You up for paying for all that (and I mean /all/ that) and putting in the manhours (and I mean /all/ the manhours)? One of the chief reasons I roll my eyes at urban armchair environmentalists is because they have an understanding of the human world very far detached from reality.

ClumsyPilot 4y ago
> You up for paying for all that Oh, so my tax dollars should only pay for what you want, roads for cars, but god forbid they pay for what I want? Typical car driver entitlement, the country spends tens of billions a year to build new roads and intersections, but propose a cycle lane and they come out in droves screaming its a waste of money. How dare you demand that 1% of public space is dedicated to other modes of trasport. And when I take my cycle to the same damn road car drivers treat me like some unwashed illegal immigrant invading your private elite club.
- Dalewyn 4y ago
  I'm being serious: Are you willing to pony up the cash and time for "all you need is to"? You put it like this is as easy as flipping a switch, when in reality it's probably harder than moving the Earth itself.
  - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
    I am already ponying up the cash. Do you, for some reason, think that car centric cities come for free and putting in a bike lane costs more that a highway does? What is hard, bike lanes? Ebikes?
    - Dalewyn 4y ago
      >putting in a bike lane costs more that a highway does? Yes. A proper bike lane requires: * Expanding the road, which might involve demolishing some/many town blocks. * Adding proper separators and dividers between car and bike. * Changing the layout of the town so biking to destinations is actually practical. * Slowly changing the minds of the residents. This isn't as simple as painting some white lines and calling it a day.
      - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
        This is a complete fabrication, nobody demolishes building to create bikelanes. we take a lane away from motorized traffic.
        Dalewyn 4y ago
        Thanks for demonstrating your sheer lack of credentials on the subject. Just taking space away from cars, painting some more white lines, and calling it a day leads to: * Increased car congestion. * Drivers annoyed at the cyclists disrupting car traffic, if there are any, and the bike lanes making driving in general hazardous and inconvenient. * Cyclists (if there are any) fearful of the hunks of metal several tons heavy barreling around right next to them. * Underutilized bike lanes because cyclists have no practical destinations to go to; a layout for cars is not a layout for bicycles. Ultimately noone's happy, tons of taxpayer dollars are spent for naught, time is wasted. No thank you.