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Why can’t they just make the point about air quality without covering it in layer after layer of woke nonsense? It makes me suspicious of the entire thing and i

Why can’t they just make the point about air quality without covering it in layer after layer of woke nonsense? It makes me suspicious of the entire thing and is detrimental to the likely good ideas proposed. Why do they have to speak like this? Why is everything a social justice activist cause? It’s very weird, like it’s a new age replacement religion for midwits.

acdha 4y ago
If it makes you uncomfortable to learn how unevenly pollution has been distributed, imagine what it’s like for the people to live there. It’s important because many of us are able to go for years, even our entire lives without understanding how some people are written off. Here’s a good example: https://www.propublica.org/article/welcome-to-cancer-alley-where-toxic-air-is-about-to-get-worse https://www.propublica.org/article/welcome-to-cancer-alley-w... Also look at this map and see how often the worst quality is in the poor part of town: https://projects.propublica.org/toxmap/ https://projects.propublica.org/toxmap/
- nemo44x 4y ago
  It doesn’t discomfort me but annoys me. The language used. It never says “poor” people. In says “equity”, “justice”, “Black” (capital ‘B’), etc. It’s all coded (dog whistles) in garbage woke language.
  - acdha 4y ago
    The term equity seems appropriate because you don’t have to study American history for very long to realize how these things combine: someone is poor now because their community was redlined or got an interstate highway run through it during their grandfather’s era. If decision happened because most of the people living there were black and politically powerless, we can’t easily separate the two factors. Recognizing that is a first step of actually doing something: if the ill effects are unevenly distributed, doing something about it often requires getting people who are used to, say, thinking of a power plant as necessary and a source of jobs as also being responsible for conditions which they wouldn’t tolerate for their own children.
not_kurt_godel 4y ago
What part specifically do you take issue with? Do you dispute that lower income communities have been deliberately allowed to be exposed to disproportionately higher levels of air pollution?
- nemo44x 4y ago
  They never once say “lower income” or “poor” or anything that has to do with economics. You are hallucinating what the language here wants you to.
  - not_kurt_godel 4y ago
    It's literally in the second sentence: > Fine particles, sometimes called soot, can penetrate deep into the lungs and can result in serious health effects that include asthma attacks, heart attacks and premature death – disproportionately affecting vulnerable populations including children, older adults, those with heart or lung conditions, as well as communities of color and low-income communities throughout the United States. Seems like you might be the one hallucinating a target for your misplaced ire.
    - nemo44x 4y ago
      I missed the one sparse reference because they use every other work dog whistle over and over throughout. Why not just use that (shit things happen to poors) instead of all the other nonsense?
      - not_kurt_godel 4y ago
        I honestly can't even guess what part of the rest of the article you're calling nonsense. Why don't you try improving your reading comprehension instead of throwing loony and completely inaccurate accusations at people doing their job to improve the lives of others?
thebigman433 4y ago
Its not "woke" to mention that already disadvantaged communities are worst affected by air pollution, its just a really awful reality.
- nemo44x 4y ago
  Which communities are disadvantaged? Your skin color makes you disadvantaged? They never once say the word “poor”. It’s not a word the woke can say because it’s counter to their wannabe radical revolutionary vernacular. Read it again.
  - jeffbee 4y ago
    Yes, white administrators of the middle 20th century intentionally concentrated freeways in Black communities. The color of your skin is a strong and causal factor in the air quality you endure.
  - thebigman433 4y ago
    > Your skin color makes you disadvantaged Quite literally, yes. Communities were segregated for decades and the repercussions are still felt today. Its why communities divided by freeways are typically made up Black people or other people of color. Gas and oil plants are almost always near these same communities as well, leading to them experiencing the harshest effects of pollution.
    - DoreenMichele 4y ago
      Some stats in support of the above,: https://usafacts.org/articles/health-by-race-asthma-obesity-vaccination-life-expectancy-black-hispanic-white/?utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=ND-Race&msclkid=985fa560a714127627fec6a289d0b52b https://usafacts.org/articles/health-by-race-asthma-obesity-...
DoreenMichele 4y ago
It's not "woke nonsense." It's a very accurate description of where such things tend to disproportionately occur in the US.

acdha 4y ago

If it makes you uncomfortable to learn how unevenly pollution has been distributed, imagine what it’s like for the people to live there. It’s important because many of us are able to go for years, even our entire lives without understanding how some people are written off. Here’s a good example: https://www.propublica.org/article/welcome-to-cancer-alley-where-toxic-air-is-about-to-get-worse https://www.propublica.org/article/welcome-to-cancer-alley-w... Also look at this map and see how often the worst quality is in the poor part of town: https://projects.propublica.org/toxmap/ https://projects.propublica.org/toxmap/

nemo44x 4y ago
It doesn’t discomfort me but annoys me. The language used. It never says “poor” people. In says “equity”, “justice”, “Black” (capital ‘B’), etc. It’s all coded (dog whistles) in garbage woke language.
- acdha 4y ago
  The term equity seems appropriate because you don’t have to study American history for very long to realize how these things combine: someone is poor now because their community was redlined or got an interstate highway run through it during their grandfather’s era. If decision happened because most of the people living there were black and politically powerless, we can’t easily separate the two factors. Recognizing that is a first step of actually doing something: if the ill effects are unevenly distributed, doing something about it often requires getting people who are used to, say, thinking of a power plant as necessary and a source of jobs as also being responsible for conditions which they wouldn’t tolerate for their own children.

not_kurt_godel 4y ago

What part specifically do you take issue with? Do you dispute that lower income communities have been deliberately allowed to be exposed to disproportionately higher levels of air pollution?

nemo44x 4y ago
They never once say “lower income” or “poor” or anything that has to do with economics. You are hallucinating what the language here wants you to.
- not_kurt_godel 4y ago
  It's literally in the second sentence: > Fine particles, sometimes called soot, can penetrate deep into the lungs and can result in serious health effects that include asthma attacks, heart attacks and premature death – disproportionately affecting vulnerable populations including children, older adults, those with heart or lung conditions, as well as communities of color and low-income communities throughout the United States. Seems like you might be the one hallucinating a target for your misplaced ire.
  - nemo44x 4y ago
    I missed the one sparse reference because they use every other work dog whistle over and over throughout. Why not just use that (shit things happen to poors) instead of all the other nonsense?
    - not_kurt_godel 4y ago
      I honestly can't even guess what part of the rest of the article you're calling nonsense. Why don't you try improving your reading comprehension instead of throwing loony and completely inaccurate accusations at people doing their job to improve the lives of others?

thebigman433 4y ago

Its not "woke" to mention that already disadvantaged communities are worst affected by air pollution, its just a really awful reality.

nemo44x 4y ago
Which communities are disadvantaged? Your skin color makes you disadvantaged? They never once say the word “poor”. It’s not a word the woke can say because it’s counter to their wannabe radical revolutionary vernacular. Read it again.
- jeffbee 4y ago
  Yes, white administrators of the middle 20th century intentionally concentrated freeways in Black communities. The color of your skin is a strong and causal factor in the air quality you endure.
- thebigman433 4y ago
  > Your skin color makes you disadvantaged Quite literally, yes. Communities were segregated for decades and the repercussions are still felt today. Its why communities divided by freeways are typically made up Black people or other people of color. Gas and oil plants are almost always near these same communities as well, leading to them experiencing the harshest effects of pollution.
  - DoreenMichele 4y ago
    Some stats in support of the above,: https://usafacts.org/articles/health-by-race-asthma-obesity-vaccination-life-expectancy-black-hispanic-white/?utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=ND-Race&msclkid=985fa560a714127627fec6a289d0b52b https://usafacts.org/articles/health-by-race-asthma-obesity-...

DoreenMichele 4y ago

It's not "woke nonsense." It's a very accurate description of where such things tend to disproportionately occur in the US.