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Please do it.

by bertil 4y ago

Please do it.

idopmstuff 4y ago
That's what the whole post is about - they're doing it. They're changing standards and making things better. Honestly, I think that of all sources of pollution, cars are the ones that are seeing the clearest and most visible work. We can see it in the market - electric cars are increasingly taking market share. We can see it in government - California just banned gas cars completely as of 2035. Yes, ICE cars are big polluters, but all the evidence seems to pretty clearly show that we're in agreement on that as a society and are taking active steps to get rid of them.
colechristensen 4y ago
It’s already being done. Electric vehicles and solar are taking over because they’re cheaper and will continue to be more so for quite a while. Longwinded emotional appeals that misrepresent truth aren’t necessary, just some patience. You want to help, invest in solar development projects after installing a few on your own residence. Whatever outcome is going to happen is more or less already certainly happening, there aren’t many levers or much that can be changed. Fossil fuels being mostly replaced is inevitable, climate effects good and bad from all the carbon added are likewise inevitable.
- ClumsyPilot 4y ago
  > Whatever outcome is going to happen is more or less already certainly happening, there aren’t many levers or much that can be changed. Fossil fuels being mostly replaced is inevitable, climate effects good and bad from all the carbon added are likewise inevitable. This is basically climate illiterate.c Ebikes have saved more carbon emissions that all EV vehicles combined. All you need is to. make cities suitable for cycling, and habd out free ebikes, and you would save about a degree of planet-wide heating. Thats the difference between having a global famine and avoiding one.
  - Dalewyn 4y ago
    >All you need is to You up for paying for all that (and I mean /all/ that) and putting in the manhours (and I mean /all/ the manhours)? One of the chief reasons I roll my eyes at urban armchair environmentalists is because they have an understanding of the human world very far detached from reality.
    - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
      > You up for paying for all that Oh, so my tax dollars should only pay for what you want, roads for cars, but god forbid they pay for what I want? Typical car driver entitlement, the country spends tens of billions a year to build new roads and intersections, but propose a cycle lane and they come out in droves screaming its a waste of money. How dare you demand that 1% of public space is dedicated to other modes of trasport. And when I take my cycle to the same damn road car drivers treat me like some unwashed illegal immigrant invading your private elite club.
      - Dalewyn 4y ago
        I'm being serious: Are you willing to pony up the cash and time for "all you need is to"? You put it like this is as easy as flipping a switch, when in reality it's probably harder than moving the Earth itself.
        ClumsyPilot 4y ago
        I am already ponying up the cash. Do you, for some reason, think that car centric cities come for free and putting in a bike lane costs more that a highway does? What is hard, bike lanes? Ebikes?
        Dalewyn 4y ago
        >putting in a bike lane costs more that a highway does? Yes. A proper bike lane requires: * Expanding the road, which might involve demolishing some/many town blocks. * Adding proper separators and dividers between car and bike. * Changing the layout of the town so biking to destinations is actually practical. * Slowly changing the minds of the residents. This isn't as simple as painting some white lines and calling it a day.
rgmerk 4y ago
An example - California is banning the sale of combustion powered small garden appliances - lawnmowers, line trimmers, and so on. A lot of these are still powered by two-stroke engines, which are literally thousands of times more polluting than modern (ICE) cars, and even the four-stroke versions are much more polluting than larger vehicles with pollution control gear. Batteries are now powerful enough to be a satisfactory substitute for gas engines in these applications. Other jurisdictions should adopt the same rules. Another easy one is banning wood stoves and heaters in populated areas.

Please do it.

by bertil 4y ago

Please do it.

That's what the whole post is about - they're doing it. They're changing standards and making things better. Honestly, I think that of all sources of pollution, cars are the ones that are seeing the clearest and most visible work. We can see it in the market - electric cars are increasingly taking market share. We can see it in government - California just banned gas cars completely as of 2035. Yes, ICE cars are big polluters, but all the evidence seems to pretty clearly show that we're in agreement on that as a society and are taking active steps to get rid of them.

colechristensen 4y ago

It’s already being done. Electric vehicles and solar are taking over because they’re cheaper and will continue to be more so for quite a while. Longwinded emotional appeals that misrepresent truth aren’t necessary, just some patience. You want to help, invest in solar development projects after installing a few on your own residence. Whatever outcome is going to happen is more or less already certainly happening, there aren’t many levers or much that can be changed. Fossil fuels being mostly replaced is inevitable, climate effects good and bad from all the carbon added are likewise inevitable.

ClumsyPilot 4y ago
> Whatever outcome is going to happen is more or less already certainly happening, there aren’t many levers or much that can be changed. Fossil fuels being mostly replaced is inevitable, climate effects good and bad from all the carbon added are likewise inevitable. This is basically climate illiterate.c Ebikes have saved more carbon emissions that all EV vehicles combined. All you need is to. make cities suitable for cycling, and habd out free ebikes, and you would save about a degree of planet-wide heating. Thats the difference between having a global famine and avoiding one.
- Dalewyn 4y ago
  >All you need is to You up for paying for all that (and I mean /all/ that) and putting in the manhours (and I mean /all/ the manhours)? One of the chief reasons I roll my eyes at urban armchair environmentalists is because they have an understanding of the human world very far detached from reality.
  - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
    > You up for paying for all that Oh, so my tax dollars should only pay for what you want, roads for cars, but god forbid they pay for what I want? Typical car driver entitlement, the country spends tens of billions a year to build new roads and intersections, but propose a cycle lane and they come out in droves screaming its a waste of money. How dare you demand that 1% of public space is dedicated to other modes of trasport. And when I take my cycle to the same damn road car drivers treat me like some unwashed illegal immigrant invading your private elite club.
    - Dalewyn 4y ago
      I'm being serious: Are you willing to pony up the cash and time for "all you need is to"? You put it like this is as easy as flipping a switch, when in reality it's probably harder than moving the Earth itself.
      - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
        I am already ponying up the cash. Do you, for some reason, think that car centric cities come for free and putting in a bike lane costs more that a highway does? What is hard, bike lanes? Ebikes?
        Dalewyn 4y ago
        >putting in a bike lane costs more that a highway does? Yes. A proper bike lane requires: * Expanding the road, which might involve demolishing some/many town blocks. * Adding proper separators and dividers between car and bike. * Changing the layout of the town so biking to destinations is actually practical. * Slowly changing the minds of the residents. This isn't as simple as painting some white lines and calling it a day.

rgmerk 4y ago

An example - California is banning the sale of combustion powered small garden appliances - lawnmowers, line trimmers, and so on. A lot of these are still powered by two-stroke engines, which are literally thousands of times more polluting than modern (ICE) cars, and even the four-stroke versions are much more polluting than larger vehicles with pollution control gear. Batteries are now powerful enough to be a satisfactory substitute for gas engines in these applications. Other jurisdictions should adopt the same rules. Another easy one is banning wood stoves and heaters in populated areas.