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We have collectively become way too ok with cheating. My undergrad institution had immediate expulsion for plagiarism and it was the correct way to do it. It es

We have collectively become way too ok with cheating. My undergrad institution had immediate expulsion for plagiarism and it was the correct way to do it. It essentially never happened. Contrast that with institutions with "honor codes" and other toothless nonsense and it's night and day. High schools need to have harsh penalties as well (removal from extracurriculars etc) to head this behavior off and/or keep plagiarists out of undergrad programs. If this person is cheating as a grad student then their entire academic history is likely built on lies as well. May their department have the courage to do the right thing and show them the door.

escapedmoose 4y ago
I’ve never heard of a university that doesn’t respond to plagiarism with expulsion. Is that a thing?
- noodlesUK 4y ago
  My university definitely had expulsion as a punishment for plagiarism but it was rarely used in the first instance, especially on undergrads or in cases of collusion with other students rather than something like essay commissioning. If you were caught plagiarising a major assignment I don’t doubt that you’d be expelled, but a small coursework (especially in first year) would have probably just been zeroed out or you would have failed the module.
- voakbasda 4y ago
  When I was in college, I worked a few terms as a teaching assistant. Cheating was rampant and I never saw any meaningful consequences. Many of the students that I personally caught still ended up passing the class. This was over 20 years ago. I went back to grad school 15 years ago. Same story, only it had only gotten worse. I dropped out, in part due to the perceived total lack of institutional integrity.
karencarits 4y ago
In Norway, self plagiarism has been a hot topic. Should it be treated as "ordinary" plagiarism if a student re-uses parts of an earlier assignment they have written themselves? And more generally, is it okay for institutions to provide commercial institutions copies of the work of students who cannot say no? To what degree should students be in control of what happens to their work (i.e., can they put some kind of license to it, to limit what it is used for)? Should the students be compensated when their papers are used to increase the value (i.e., database) of a third-party company?

escapedmoose 4y ago

I’ve never heard of a university that doesn’t respond to plagiarism with expulsion. Is that a thing?

noodlesUK 4y ago
My university definitely had expulsion as a punishment for plagiarism but it was rarely used in the first instance, especially on undergrads or in cases of collusion with other students rather than something like essay commissioning. If you were caught plagiarising a major assignment I don’t doubt that you’d be expelled, but a small coursework (especially in first year) would have probably just been zeroed out or you would have failed the module.
voakbasda 4y ago
When I was in college, I worked a few terms as a teaching assistant. Cheating was rampant and I never saw any meaningful consequences. Many of the students that I personally caught still ended up passing the class. This was over 20 years ago. I went back to grad school 15 years ago. Same story, only it had only gotten worse. I dropped out, in part due to the perceived total lack of institutional integrity.

karencarits 4y ago

In Norway, self plagiarism has been a hot topic. Should it be treated as "ordinary" plagiarism if a student re-uses parts of an earlier assignment they have written themselves? And more generally, is it okay for institutions to provide commercial institutions copies of the work of students who cannot say no? To what degree should students be in control of what happens to their work (i.e., can they put some kind of license to it, to limit what it is used for)? Should the students be compensated when their papers are used to increase the value (i.e., database) of a third-party company?