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I like questions 2 and 3 but question 1 seems like a subtle dig at the candidate to see if they spend most of their time outside of work coding.

dqh 4y ago
For the same level of commercial experience, someone who spends most of their time outside work coding has more experience coding than someone who doesn't, and they probably love it. I think these things are worth knowing about a candidate when hiring?
- Cheezewheel 4y ago
  That is awfully close to just discriminating against candidates who have families or especially single parents. This level of gatekeeping that a programmer who decides to have a full life outside of work is inherently an inferior programmer is a really superficial way to look at it. Equation passion with "Is this person willing and able to spend 60 hours a week coding" is a disgusting attitude that should just completely end in this industry. In my entire career the single most talented Programmer I ever knew was a single mother who logged off the computer every day after 8 hours period, and choose to spent her life with her kids.
  - Jensson 4y ago
    What you are saying is the same thing as "a programmer with 5 years of experience can be much better than one with 10", which is true, but does that mean that we shouldn't consider how much experience someone has? Nobody said that more is always better, just that it isn't worthless information.
  - vba616 4y ago
    People who want to have families often split the difference. One partner gets a government job that doesn't pay very much, but has great benefits, job security, and work/life balance, and the other takes a more demanding job with longer hours that pays better.
  - dqh 4y ago
    All else being equal, people get better at things they do more of, and part of the interview process is finding out how much coding a person has done. I'm sure that mother would give amazing answers to the other parts of this interview.
- tomrod 4y ago
  Alternatively, they could be terrible coders and looking to improve outside of work, whereas the question gleans no substantial information for those that don't code outside of work.
  - dqh 4y ago
    Sure. Which is why it's just part of a conversation, not a boolean filtering question.
- Ancalagon 4y ago
  Or it just points out candidates who are too unskilled to pickup coding practices on the job, or who have families, or who are likely to burn out in 6 mos of working in their new job because they worked 40hr weeks then went home and worked 40 hours more.
  - dqh 4y ago
    Yes, or. That 'or' includes the sort of person that is so endlessly fascinated with programming that they can't stop themselves from creating things with code in their spare time.
haswell 4y ago
I’ve asked question 1 many times when interviewing candidates, and it’s fine if someone comes back and says they don’t code much outside of work. I’m not expecting the answer to be “I spend my free time coding”, and it’s certainly never a subtle dig. But if that is their answer, it’s also a gateway to a more natural and relaxed conversation about the tech they care about and what makes them tick. I’ll often learn far more about a person that way than the typical “tell me about a project/time when…” style questions.
tcmart14 4y ago
I can see that being an issue, I guess it depends on how the question is asked. My current job, I was asked a variation of this question, it was, "What do you do outside of work other than coding?" Followed up with a, "we are curious as to how you turn off work." However, my employer is also big on not wanting us to burn out at slinging code. Maybe it would be more appropriate to word it like that? Maybe not?
- Ancalagon 4y ago
  Yes I think that would be much more appropriate!

dqh 4y ago

For the same level of commercial experience, someone who spends most of their time outside work coding has more experience coding than someone who doesn't, and they probably love it. I think these things are worth knowing about a candidate when hiring?

Cheezewheel 4y ago
That is awfully close to just discriminating against candidates who have families or especially single parents. This level of gatekeeping that a programmer who decides to have a full life outside of work is inherently an inferior programmer is a really superficial way to look at it. Equation passion with "Is this person willing and able to spend 60 hours a week coding" is a disgusting attitude that should just completely end in this industry. In my entire career the single most talented Programmer I ever knew was a single mother who logged off the computer every day after 8 hours period, and choose to spent her life with her kids.
- Jensson 4y ago
  What you are saying is the same thing as "a programmer with 5 years of experience can be much better than one with 10", which is true, but does that mean that we shouldn't consider how much experience someone has? Nobody said that more is always better, just that it isn't worthless information.
- vba616 4y ago
  People who want to have families often split the difference. One partner gets a government job that doesn't pay very much, but has great benefits, job security, and work/life balance, and the other takes a more demanding job with longer hours that pays better.
- dqh 4y ago
  All else being equal, people get better at things they do more of, and part of the interview process is finding out how much coding a person has done. I'm sure that mother would give amazing answers to the other parts of this interview.
tomrod 4y ago
Alternatively, they could be terrible coders and looking to improve outside of work, whereas the question gleans no substantial information for those that don't code outside of work.
- dqh 4y ago
  Sure. Which is why it's just part of a conversation, not a boolean filtering question.
Ancalagon 4y ago
Or it just points out candidates who are too unskilled to pickup coding practices on the job, or who have families, or who are likely to burn out in 6 mos of working in their new job because they worked 40hr weeks then went home and worked 40 hours more.
- dqh 4y ago
  Yes, or. That 'or' includes the sort of person that is so endlessly fascinated with programming that they can't stop themselves from creating things with code in their spare time.

haswell 4y ago

I’ve asked question 1 many times when interviewing candidates, and it’s fine if someone comes back and says they don’t code much outside of work. I’m not expecting the answer to be “I spend my free time coding”, and it’s certainly never a subtle dig. But if that is their answer, it’s also a gateway to a more natural and relaxed conversation about the tech they care about and what makes them tick. I’ll often learn far more about a person that way than the typical “tell me about a project/time when…” style questions.

tcmart14 4y ago

I can see that being an issue, I guess it depends on how the question is asked. My current job, I was asked a variation of this question, it was, "What do you do outside of work other than coding?" Followed up with a, "we are curious as to how you turn off work." However, my employer is also big on not wanting us to burn out at slinging code. Maybe it would be more appropriate to word it like that? Maybe not?

Ancalagon 4y ago
Yes I think that would be much more appropriate!