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>a pizza delivery bag (holds two large pies in boxes) It took me a few seconds, but i guess where you're from they (pizzas) are called 'pies'.

b112 4y ago
They're called pies everywhere (pizza pies), but as with many things, the pie part is now unspoken. Such as gas for gasoline, and so on. EG, it's not an alias, but the dropped, rest of the name.
- Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
  "soda pop" is an interesting one. Some regions dropped the soda, others dropped the pop. Some dropped neither and still use "soda pop". And then some Neanderthal regions decided to drop both and use "Coke" as a generic term for carbonated soft drinks.
  - sokoloff 4y ago
    “I’ll have an orange Coke.” is a valid order in those latter areas. It sounds crazy to me.
    - doubled112 4y ago
      I would assume you meant something like "vanilla Coke" and wonder if you found an interesting combo on one of those fancy pick your flavour to add to your drink fountain dispensers.
      - hombre_fatal 4y ago
        No, they are giving an example of ordering an orange soda by using the word coke for something that is not Coca-Cola which is what the upstream comment is talking about.
unwind 4y ago
US English speakers consider pizza to be a kind of pie, yes. It"s quite confusing for the rest of us (or at least to me) but that's how they talk. :)
- tshaddox 4y ago
  I wouldn’t say that American English speakers actually consider pizza to be a member of the same pie family as apple pie. We will refer to pizzas as “pies,” but without a very clear context of pizza, “pie” is almost always going to be interpreted as the family of sweet round desserts.
  - unwind 4y ago
    Aha, thanks, that's even more confusing! :) Also interesting (from a sibling comment) to learn that it's regional; I guess I'm suffering from some kind of confirmation bias; whenever US folks who do not call pizzas pies write about pizza online, I don't notice. :)
    - tshaddox 4y ago
      I think in practice any English speaker even at like an A2 level wouldn’t get confused, because the context has to be extremely clear in order for “pie” to be used in reference to a pizza. In any conceivable case I can think of, pizza is either going to be explicitly named immediately before saying “pie,” or the context will be undeniable (like when you’re ordering from a pizza restaurant). There would never be a case where someone would ask “what do you want to eat?” and someone would respond with “pie” when they mean pizza.
      - anonymouskimmer 4y ago
        > "There would never be a case where someone would ask “what do you want to eat?” and someone would respond with “pie” when they mean pizza." Friends or colleagues who are used to eating a pizza together excepted. Maybe rarely someone could say "pepperoni pie" or "cheese pie" without being confused, but as you said the context makes the case in these examples.
jcampbell1 4y ago
Pie and slice are units of measurement for the concept pizza. Much like you don’t order “two pastas” saying “two pizzas” sounds stupid to people in the parts of US famous for pizza. Bread works the same way, it comes in loaves and slices. You don’t buy “two breads” without sounding stupid.
- pessimizer 4y ago
  > saying “two pizzas” sounds stupid to people in the parts of US famous for pizza. This definitely isn't true. Pizza pies are what they are, but it's fine to call it a pie (in obvious context), and most people call them pizzas. You wouldn't dare accuse My Very Educated Mother of being stupid for Just Serving Us Nine Pizzas. And I'm a Chicago pizza guy, where pizza looks like a pie.
  - moloch-hai 4y ago
    The correct conclusion is that Chicago is not among the cited "parts".
  - mansoon 4y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCgYMFtxUUw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCgYMFtxUUw Sir, you are in violation of the ontology. Chicago pizza, while erroneously linguistically linked to the categorical foodstuff, is not, in fact, pizza.
tomcam 4y ago
I have never heard that usage in the wild here on the West Coast of the United States. I do know it’s common back east.

b112 4y ago

They're called pies everywhere (pizza pies), but as with many things, the pie part is now unspoken. Such as gas for gasoline, and so on. EG, it's not an alias, but the dropped, rest of the name.

Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
"soda pop" is an interesting one. Some regions dropped the soda, others dropped the pop. Some dropped neither and still use "soda pop". And then some Neanderthal regions decided to drop both and use "Coke" as a generic term for carbonated soft drinks.
- sokoloff 4y ago
  “I’ll have an orange Coke.” is a valid order in those latter areas. It sounds crazy to me.
  - doubled112 4y ago
    I would assume you meant something like "vanilla Coke" and wonder if you found an interesting combo on one of those fancy pick your flavour to add to your drink fountain dispensers.
    - hombre_fatal 4y ago
      No, they are giving an example of ordering an orange soda by using the word coke for something that is not Coca-Cola which is what the upstream comment is talking about.

unwind 4y ago

US English speakers consider pizza to be a kind of pie, yes. It"s quite confusing for the rest of us (or at least to me) but that's how they talk. :)

tshaddox 4y ago
I wouldn’t say that American English speakers actually consider pizza to be a member of the same pie family as apple pie. We will refer to pizzas as “pies,” but without a very clear context of pizza, “pie” is almost always going to be interpreted as the family of sweet round desserts.
- unwind 4y ago
  Aha, thanks, that's even more confusing! :) Also interesting (from a sibling comment) to learn that it's regional; I guess I'm suffering from some kind of confirmation bias; whenever US folks who do not call pizzas pies write about pizza online, I don't notice. :)
  - tshaddox 4y ago
    I think in practice any English speaker even at like an A2 level wouldn’t get confused, because the context has to be extremely clear in order for “pie” to be used in reference to a pizza. In any conceivable case I can think of, pizza is either going to be explicitly named immediately before saying “pie,” or the context will be undeniable (like when you’re ordering from a pizza restaurant). There would never be a case where someone would ask “what do you want to eat?” and someone would respond with “pie” when they mean pizza.
    - anonymouskimmer 4y ago
      > "There would never be a case where someone would ask “what do you want to eat?” and someone would respond with “pie” when they mean pizza." Friends or colleagues who are used to eating a pizza together excepted. Maybe rarely someone could say "pepperoni pie" or "cheese pie" without being confused, but as you said the context makes the case in these examples.

jcampbell1 4y ago

Pie and slice are units of measurement for the concept pizza. Much like you don’t order “two pastas” saying “two pizzas” sounds stupid to people in the parts of US famous for pizza. Bread works the same way, it comes in loaves and slices. You don’t buy “two breads” without sounding stupid.

pessimizer 4y ago
> saying “two pizzas” sounds stupid to people in the parts of US famous for pizza. This definitely isn't true. Pizza pies are what they are, but it's fine to call it a pie (in obvious context), and most people call them pizzas. You wouldn't dare accuse My Very Educated Mother of being stupid for Just Serving Us Nine Pizzas. And I'm a Chicago pizza guy, where pizza looks like a pie.
- moloch-hai 4y ago
  The correct conclusion is that Chicago is not among the cited "parts".
- mansoon 4y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCgYMFtxUUw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCgYMFtxUUw Sir, you are in violation of the ontology. Chicago pizza, while erroneously linguistically linked to the categorical foodstuff, is not, in fact, pizza.

tomcam 4y ago

I have never heard that usage in the wild here on the West Coast of the United States. I do know it’s common back east.