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USB3/USBC is coming in the next set of devices (thanks EU), so at least the speed issue will be resolved.

by orev 4y ago

jshier 4y ago
Using the USB-C connector doesn't guarantee high speed connectivity. Technically that connector can fall all the way back to USB 1 speeds. Hopefully we'll see higher speeds, but Apple never put their higher speed Lightning ports on the phone, so who knows.
taylodl 4y ago
The EU did nothing. When Apple moved away from the 30 pin connector to the lightning connector they promised they'd keep it for a minimum of 10 years since so many people were howling about the change. That was 2014. Guess what? It looks like Apple will be adopting USB-C in 2024, thus fulfilling their 10 year promise. Meanwhile, since 2014, Apple has been adopting USB-C across their entire product line - except the iPhone which they had promised they wouldn't do. So, let's end the farcical statement that the EU stood up to Big, Bad, Apple. The EU did nothing.
- smoldesu 4y ago
  The EU is telling Apple that the iPhone may no longer use connectors that they license themselves. Apple can do whatever they want in 2024, but if they want to sell phones in Europe then the iPhone will ship with a more agreed-upon connection standard. If Apple still wants to use a superior in-house technology, they can implement Thunderbolt on iPhone.
  - taylodl 4y ago
    You missed my point entirely - the EU capitulated to Apple. They mandated what Apple was going to do anyway. Great job!
    - smoldesu 4y ago
      Apple never said they were switching the iPhone to USB-C, unless I missed something. Do you have a source for that?
      - muricula 4y ago
        Here is an ars article to back up the claim that they will switch to usb-c. Some devices like ipads use usb-c already. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-confirms-it-will-leave-lightning-behind-in-future-iphones/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-confirms-it-wi...
        smoldesu 4y ago
        That ars article was published after the regulatory ball was rolling. The fact that iPads and Macbooks have already switched to USB-C is part of the mounting frustration surrounding Lightning - plus the fact that Lightning was redundant and licensed by Apple. We need regulators to do this so Apple doesn't change their mind and make "Lightning 2". Even if Apple did have a full USB-C switch on their roadmap, every company in FAANG needs a healthy fear of regulators. Europe cracking down on the App Store and Apple's silly proprietary cables are the start of this, and a fantastic first turnout so far.
      - taylodl 4y ago
        In 2014 Apple said they would use the Lightning adapter for at least 10 years. Meanwhile they've adopted USB-C across their product line. Apple famously never announces future product plans but I think it's pretty easy to read the tea leaves with regards to what they were going to do.
        smoldesu 4y ago
        Well, now there are no tea leaves to read. If Apple doesn't want to be transparent or work with their community, these are the kinds of laws we'll be forced to pass. They have to be responsible with their power, as the single largest private company in the world. We have to hold them accountable.

USB3/USBC is coming in the next set of devices (thanks EU), so at least the speed issue will be resolved.

by orev 4y ago

USB3/USBC is coming in the next set of devices (thanks EU), so at least the speed issue will be resolved.

Using the USB-C connector doesn't guarantee high speed connectivity. Technically that connector can fall all the way back to USB 1 speeds. Hopefully we'll see higher speeds, but Apple never put their higher speed Lightning ports on the phone, so who knows.

taylodl 4y ago

The EU did nothing. When Apple moved away from the 30 pin connector to the lightning connector they promised they'd keep it for a minimum of 10 years since so many people were howling about the change. That was 2014. Guess what? It looks like Apple will be adopting USB-C in 2024, thus fulfilling their 10 year promise. Meanwhile, since 2014, Apple has been adopting USB-C across their entire product line - except the iPhone which they had promised they wouldn't do. So, let's end the farcical statement that the EU stood up to Big, Bad, Apple. The EU did nothing.

smoldesu 4y ago
The EU is telling Apple that the iPhone may no longer use connectors that they license themselves. Apple can do whatever they want in 2024, but if they want to sell phones in Europe then the iPhone will ship with a more agreed-upon connection standard. If Apple still wants to use a superior in-house technology, they can implement Thunderbolt on iPhone.
- taylodl 4y ago
  You missed my point entirely - the EU capitulated to Apple. They mandated what Apple was going to do anyway. Great job!
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    Apple never said they were switching the iPhone to USB-C, unless I missed something. Do you have a source for that?
    - muricula 4y ago
      Here is an ars article to back up the claim that they will switch to usb-c. Some devices like ipads use usb-c already. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-confirms-it-will-leave-lightning-behind-in-future-iphones/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-confirms-it-wi...
      - smoldesu 4y ago
        That ars article was published after the regulatory ball was rolling. The fact that iPads and Macbooks have already switched to USB-C is part of the mounting frustration surrounding Lightning - plus the fact that Lightning was redundant and licensed by Apple. We need regulators to do this so Apple doesn't change their mind and make "Lightning 2". Even if Apple did have a full USB-C switch on their roadmap, every company in FAANG needs a healthy fear of regulators. Europe cracking down on the App Store and Apple's silly proprietary cables are the start of this, and a fantastic first turnout so far.
    - taylodl 4y ago
      In 2014 Apple said they would use the Lightning adapter for at least 10 years. Meanwhile they've adopted USB-C across their product line. Apple famously never announces future product plans but I think it's pretty easy to read the tea leaves with regards to what they were going to do.
      - smoldesu 4y ago
        Well, now there are no tea leaves to read. If Apple doesn't want to be transparent or work with their community, these are the kinds of laws we'll be forced to pass. They have to be responsible with their power, as the single largest private company in the world. We have to hold them accountable.