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At least a car that doesn't cause a pileup from phantom breaking

jayd16 4y ago
It really undercuts the point when flippant and irrelevant answers are the first to come to mind. Besides, dropping FSD will net you a $15k savings.
- dragontamer 4y ago
  Does it? We all know that Tesla's programming uses RADAR, I mean doesn't use RADAR because RADAR is stupid. I mean, we're adding RADAR back and removing ultrasonic, because ultrasonic is useless. Each time Tesla changes their feature set, they're changing their programming, and we have reason to believe it doesn't work as well as advertised. Meanwhile, the other car manufacturers are basically putting in bog-standard RADAR + Camera + Ultrasonic suites from Mobileye, which basically has no issues. I know Tesla fans just wanna pretend that their neural network training will solve everything, but surely they have to understand that the feature set / inputs into that neural net need to remain constant? Like, you can't just add RADAR, then remove RADAR, then add it back again, and hope that the training continues to improve. I don't think neural nets solve everything mind you. But 'if they did', you surely have to at least have consistent training data. ------------ And btw: Phantom Braking is an issue on all Teslas, since they all have emergency auto-braking and FSD is "just a software unlock" (ie: we know FSD is representative of the emergency braking software's quality). IIRC, Autopilot / FSD / etc. etc. was Mobileye back in the day, until Mobileye fired Tesla as a customer. That was when Tesla began to write their own in-house software, and I don't think it ever matched the quality of Mobileye... despite the hype.
- r00fus 4y ago
  But features on paper are one thing, trustworthiness is a feature as well. If I ever bought a Tesla, I sure would not buy nor trust any FSD. You can say the same about a lot of other such "badly implemented features" in many products from other companies as well - a good comparison includes that depth as well.
- yellow_lead 4y ago
  Safety is a very important feature for a car.

It really undercuts the point when flippant and irrelevant answers are the first to come to mind. Besides, dropping FSD will net you a $15k savings.

dragontamer 4y ago
Does it? We all know that Tesla's programming uses RADAR, I mean doesn't use RADAR because RADAR is stupid. I mean, we're adding RADAR back and removing ultrasonic, because ultrasonic is useless. Each time Tesla changes their feature set, they're changing their programming, and we have reason to believe it doesn't work as well as advertised. Meanwhile, the other car manufacturers are basically putting in bog-standard RADAR + Camera + Ultrasonic suites from Mobileye, which basically has no issues. I know Tesla fans just wanna pretend that their neural network training will solve everything, but surely they have to understand that the feature set / inputs into that neural net need to remain constant? Like, you can't just add RADAR, then remove RADAR, then add it back again, and hope that the training continues to improve. I don't think neural nets solve everything mind you. But 'if they did', you surely have to at least have consistent training data. ------------ And btw: Phantom Braking is an issue on all Teslas, since they all have emergency auto-braking and FSD is "just a software unlock" (ie: we know FSD is representative of the emergency braking software's quality). IIRC, Autopilot / FSD / etc. etc. was Mobileye back in the day, until Mobileye fired Tesla as a customer. That was when Tesla began to write their own in-house software, and I don't think it ever matched the quality of Mobileye... despite the hype.
r00fus 4y ago
But features on paper are one thing, trustworthiness is a feature as well. If I ever bought a Tesla, I sure would not buy nor trust any FSD. You can say the same about a lot of other such "badly implemented features" in many products from other companies as well - a good comparison includes that depth as well.
yellow_lead 4y ago
Safety is a very important feature for a car.