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> In the US the entry-level version of its Model Y now costs $52,990 This is still more than the top level trim of the VW ID.4, and comparable to the top level
by danans 4y ago
> In the US the entry-level version of its Model Y now costs $52,990
This is still more than the top level trim of the VW ID.4, and comparable to the top level trim of the Ioniq 5 and EV6. Of course the range is still better on the Teslas.
However, there is a greater realization that for day to day driving 250 miles of range is sufficient, especially if you can charge at home.
For multi car households (common in the US), you can also have a secondary gas car for long road trips.
Nonetheless, a price war for EVs is good for their adoption, and hopefully also drives down used EV prices too.
- eisa01 4y agoIn Norway, the entry level Model Y is $43.5k compared to 48.5k for the entry level ID.4 So it looks like Teslas are selling relatively better in the US than Europe?
- lastofthemojito 4y agoMSRP sure, but dealers are still marking most EVs up. And it seems like very few low-trim level cars are actually being made, so in practice buying any of these EVs ends up being more expensive than one might first expect. If I go onto cars.com and search for new ID.4s in my area, they're listed between $47-55k. $47-64k for Ioniq 5s and and $51-69k for EV6s. Ok, $68,660, but still, that's an expensive Kia!
- jayd16 4y agoWhat's the feature comparison? What does top level get you these days?
- yellow_lead 4y agoAt least a car that doesn't cause a pileup from phantom breaking
- jayd16 4y agoIt really undercuts the point when flippant and irrelevant answers are the first to come to mind. Besides, dropping FSD will net you a $15k savings.
- dragontamer 4y agoDoes it? We all know that Tesla's programming uses RADAR, I mean doesn't use RADAR because RADAR is stupid. I mean, we're adding RADAR back and removing ultrasonic, because ultrasonic is useless. Each time Tesla changes their feature set, they're changing their programming, and we have reason to believe it doesn't work as well as advertised. Meanwhile, the other car manufacturers are basically putting in bog-standard RADAR + Camera + Ultrasonic suites from Mobileye, which basically has no issues. I know Tesla fans just wanna pretend that their neural network training will solve everything, but surely they have to understand that the feature set / inputs into that neural net need to remain constant? Like, you can't just add RADAR, then remove RADAR, then add it back again, and hope that the training continues to improve. I don't think neural nets solve everything mind you. But 'if they did', you surely have to at least have consistent training data. ------------ And btw: Phantom Braking is an issue on all Teslas, since they all have emergency auto-braking and FSD is "just a software unlock" (ie: we know FSD is representative of the emergency braking software's quality). IIRC, Autopilot / FSD / etc. etc. was Mobileye back in the day, until Mobileye fired Tesla as a customer. That was when Tesla began to write their own in-house software, and I don't think it ever matched the quality of Mobileye... despite the hype.
- r00fus 4y ago
- rasz 4y ago>top level trim of the VW ID.4 does it come with working electronics yet?