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I am not a doctor - I just write code... I remember being up in arms about weird stuff in my food when I first heard about it but now I think about the wellbein

I am not a doctor - I just write code... I remember being up in arms about weird stuff in my food when I first heard about it but now I think about the wellbeing of the animals while they're alive and shit, man, if I were sick I'd want antibiotics too. When is it excessive? Is it because they're all so close together in the factory "farm"? What do the veterinarians say about this?

toiletfuneral 4y ago
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nervousvarun 4y ago
It's not given to sick animals, it's constantly given to all livestock because it's cheap and it's seen as a sort of "preventative maintenance". Which is bad for all kinds of reasons 1) a lot of it makes it into your meals 2) it reduces the efficacy of antibiotics by constantly exposing it to bacteria (allowing them to eventually become resistant). Probably other reasons it's bad as well (I'm also not a doctor and just write code).
- vjerancrnjak 4y ago
  Giving antibiotics to animals also makes them grow bigger. It's billions of Petri dishes. It's a white swan in the making. It's really a shame that now humans are not given antibiotics to combat antibiotic resistance, when humans do not even consume most of the antibiotics produced.
  - kube-system 4y ago
    Not all antibiotics and diseases are the same. It still makes sense to not overprescribe powerful antibiotics that humans use for human diseases. Even if agriculture is recklessly using cheap antibiotics in animals.
- culi 4y ago
  you forgot one of the main reasons it's actually given. It completely breaks down their gut microbiome causing them to gain wait much much quicker
yboris 4y ago
It's because they are close together in the factory farm. I don't think you need to consult what veterinarians say - seeing photos of how animals are treated should be enough for you to just stop consuming meat (if you "think about the wellbeing of the animals"). Consider watching Earthlings (2005) - http://www.nationearth.com/ http://www.nationearth.com/ - I'd say a must watch film for anyone who cares about animals.
- myshpa 4y ago
  I would also recommend newer version named Dominion (2018). Hard to say which one is better. If unsure, watch both! :) https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch
- falcolas 4y ago
  I hate to be that guy, but not all ranches. Ranches surrounding me (I live in relatively rural Montana) don't even come close to resembling the kinds you mention. The cattle are given the run of hundreds of acres, and also they often graze from those fields, etc. Yeah, there are a shitty minority of ranches that produce a large amount of meat in terrible conditions. But they are not the norm, not in my experience. And for a tangent, I'd like also call out that it's not just beef being produced by ranchers. We're not just tossing carcasses in the landfills. We use the whole animal. Calcium, leather, feed, gelatin, medicine, etc.
  - yboris 4y ago
    You are going by your personal experience which is very dangerous. As far as I understand statistics (taken across the US), If I remember right, at least 97% of all meat comes from factory farms (depends on animal, this may not be aggregate across all animal types). So, most people want to believe their meat comes from somewhere nice, but on average, basically all meat in the US comes from animals that are living in horrible conditions (I suspect living lives not worth living -- a life of suffering).
    - falcolas 4y ago
zabzonk 4y ago
i am not a doctor, i am a programmer, i used to be a microbiologist. the big problem with stuffing domestic or wild animals or humans with antibiotics for no good reason (ie without testing if they actually have an infection that the antibiotic can or should treat) is that it encourages the development of antibiotic resistance in _all_ bacteria in the treated animal/human. it's only been 100 years since the very first development of effective antibiotics. before this, bacterial diseases were deadly. if we go on with this misuse, they will become deadly again.

toiletfuneral 4y ago

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nervousvarun 4y ago

It's not given to sick animals, it's constantly given to all livestock because it's cheap and it's seen as a sort of "preventative maintenance". Which is bad for all kinds of reasons 1) a lot of it makes it into your meals 2) it reduces the efficacy of antibiotics by constantly exposing it to bacteria (allowing them to eventually become resistant). Probably other reasons it's bad as well (I'm also not a doctor and just write code).

vjerancrnjak 4y ago
Giving antibiotics to animals also makes them grow bigger. It's billions of Petri dishes. It's a white swan in the making. It's really a shame that now humans are not given antibiotics to combat antibiotic resistance, when humans do not even consume most of the antibiotics produced.
- kube-system 4y ago
  Not all antibiotics and diseases are the same. It still makes sense to not overprescribe powerful antibiotics that humans use for human diseases. Even if agriculture is recklessly using cheap antibiotics in animals.
culi 4y ago
you forgot one of the main reasons it's actually given. It completely breaks down their gut microbiome causing them to gain wait much much quicker

yboris 4y ago

It's because they are close together in the factory farm. I don't think you need to consult what veterinarians say - seeing photos of how animals are treated should be enough for you to just stop consuming meat (if you "think about the wellbeing of the animals"). Consider watching Earthlings (2005) - http://www.nationearth.com/ http://www.nationearth.com/ - I'd say a must watch film for anyone who cares about animals.

myshpa 4y ago
I would also recommend newer version named Dominion (2018). Hard to say which one is better. If unsure, watch both! :) https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch
falcolas 4y ago
I hate to be that guy, but not all ranches. Ranches surrounding me (I live in relatively rural Montana) don't even come close to resembling the kinds you mention. The cattle are given the run of hundreds of acres, and also they often graze from those fields, etc. Yeah, there are a shitty minority of ranches that produce a large amount of meat in terrible conditions. But they are not the norm, not in my experience. And for a tangent, I'd like also call out that it's not just beef being produced by ranchers. We're not just tossing carcasses in the landfills. We use the whole animal. Calcium, leather, feed, gelatin, medicine, etc.
- yboris 4y ago
  You are going by your personal experience which is very dangerous. As far as I understand statistics (taken across the US), If I remember right, at least 97% of all meat comes from factory farms (depends on animal, this may not be aggregate across all animal types). So, most people want to believe their meat comes from somewhere nice, but on average, basically all meat in the US comes from animals that are living in horrible conditions (I suspect living lives not worth living -- a life of suffering).
  - falcolas 4y ago

zabzonk 4y ago

i am not a doctor, i am a programmer, i used to be a microbiologist. the big problem with stuffing domestic or wild animals or humans with antibiotics for no good reason (ie without testing if they actually have an infection that the antibiotic can or should treat) is that it encourages the development of antibiotic resistance in _all_ bacteria in the treated animal/human. it's only been 100 years since the very first development of effective antibiotics. before this, bacterial diseases were deadly. if we go on with this misuse, they will become deadly again.