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I'm sorry you lost your wife. My wife had a near-death medical experience last year (a stroke, completely unrelated) and I was never as emotionally empty and de

I'm sorry you lost your wife. My wife had a near-death medical experience last year (a stroke, completely unrelated) and I was never as emotionally empty and destroyed as I was during the ten minutes I thought I lost her and subsequent days worrying about her recovery. You linked an interview with Childrens' Health Defense, an organization whose primary purpose is to argue, categorically, that all vaccinations are dangerous and do not work. They are the largest such organization and their activism has been directly responsible for the growth in resistance to MMR vaccination and later to COVID-19 vaccination. This does not mean that the point about a class of antibiotics is incorrect, and I understand that there's a possibility of "strange bedfellows" here because of the potential agreement on the matter of, uh, "big pharma". As I see it, one possibility is that you linked the CHD article not knowing this. Another possibility is that you linked the CHD article knowing this, but figuring just because they're wrong about vaccines doesn't tarnish them on this issue. Another possibility is that you generally agree with their position on vaccines. I'm not here to judge or change your mind, I'm just telling you that I don't have any prior view about whatever fluoroquinolone antibiotics are. I read the first half of your post wanting to do more investigation. Because of the CHD link inclusion, I am now predisposed not to believe this is a real issue. I am a non-medical social scientist but I have spent a lot of the COVID period publishing work about vaccination. Anti-vaxx stuff is a complete deal-breaker for me. And if your reason for posting was to persuade an audience, I think that's the opposite of what you want.

gjsman-1000 4y ago
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camccar 4y ago
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wolfprogramming 4y ago
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unethical_ban 4y ago
I agree that when people cite bad sources, it harm's their argument. Yes, dead commenters, the messenger matters. I'll also state I think deleting vaccine skeptics does more harm on HN than good. Let their ignorance be argued, lest they get a persecution complex and dig in more deeply. Only delete, in my opinion, those that cite disinformation or misinformation.
- magicalist 4y ago
  > Let their ignorance be argued eh, "Disprove [the situation you just said was emotionally gutting] wasn't caused by [nonsense I can write down in 5 seconds but will take 2+ orders of magnitude to respond to]" is pretty classic sealioning/asymmetric trolling. Maybe if they put up a claim with evidence, otherwise it's just low-effort shit posting and not worth much more than a downvote.
rpaddock 4y ago
The interview is where it is, which I have no control over. I would have posted Dr. B's interview where ever it was as it is related to the Big Pharma book release. He is considered one of the worlds experts on drug adverse advents. That there are adverse advents with multiple (All?) Big Pharma products is also something I have no control over. I supplied a link to my late wife's page where all the FDA warnings are linked to directly. The other links can be ignored if that is your desire.
Traubenfuchs 4y ago
There are many different numbers floating around, but let me give you a source that claims a 0.14–0.4% "prevalence of FQ-induced tendon injury". That's at least one in a thousand. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2921747 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2921747 They are also absolutely known and proven to cause permanent pain in the hand and feet (neuropathies) in some patients and "long lasting" anxiety, depression, hallucinations. Those are just a few of the serious long term side effects they can cause. Here is a good overview. https://www.mdpi.com/2673-4087/2/3/17 https://www.mdpi.com/2673-4087/2/3/17 Let me conclude that sometimes they are the right choice to save someone's life or prevent serious health consequences due to infection, but in the majority of cases there would be alternative antibiotics available.

gjsman-1000 4y ago

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camccar 4y ago

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wolfprogramming 4y ago

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unethical_ban 4y ago

I agree that when people cite bad sources, it harm's their argument. Yes, dead commenters, the messenger matters. I'll also state I think deleting vaccine skeptics does more harm on HN than good. Let their ignorance be argued, lest they get a persecution complex and dig in more deeply. Only delete, in my opinion, those that cite disinformation or misinformation.

magicalist 4y ago
> Let their ignorance be argued eh, "Disprove [the situation you just said was emotionally gutting] wasn't caused by [nonsense I can write down in 5 seconds but will take 2+ orders of magnitude to respond to]" is pretty classic sealioning/asymmetric trolling. Maybe if they put up a claim with evidence, otherwise it's just low-effort shit posting and not worth much more than a downvote.

rpaddock 4y ago

The interview is where it is, which I have no control over. I would have posted Dr. B's interview where ever it was as it is related to the Big Pharma book release. He is considered one of the worlds experts on drug adverse advents. That there are adverse advents with multiple (All?) Big Pharma products is also something I have no control over. I supplied a link to my late wife's page where all the FDA warnings are linked to directly. The other links can be ignored if that is your desire.

Traubenfuchs 4y ago

There are many different numbers floating around, but let me give you a source that claims a 0.14–0.4% "prevalence of FQ-induced tendon injury". That's at least one in a thousand. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2921747 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2921747 They are also absolutely known and proven to cause permanent pain in the hand and feet (neuropathies) in some patients and "long lasting" anxiety, depression, hallucinations. Those are just a few of the serious long term side effects they can cause. Here is a good overview. https://www.mdpi.com/2673-4087/2/3/17 https://www.mdpi.com/2673-4087/2/3/17 Let me conclude that sometimes they are the right choice to save someone's life or prevent serious health consequences due to infection, but in the majority of cases there would be alternative antibiotics available.