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> Which failed and had little popular or organized military support. We've had a lot worse throughout our history. McVeigh, civil war, et cetera. Yes, it did f

> Which failed and had little popular or organized military support. We've had a lot worse throughout our history. McVeigh, civil war, et cetera. Yes, it did fail. Thank God. But the coup plotters have been left to keep plotting for the past two years. If you haven't noticed, the person who committed the coup is still out there telling his millions of followers that he's the rightful President, and that the election he tried to steal was stolen. What happens when he does the same thing in 2024? To say that McVeigh was worse than Jan6 completely missed what the danger was on that day. The danger isn't to be measured in number of lives lost.

taylodl 4y ago
Trump lost in 2020 and will lose again in 2024. Trump is losing ground amongst conservatives, even if only a little bit. The thing is the electorate is so evenly split, actually slightly in favor of the Democrats for president, that even that little ground practically assures a Democrat becomes president in 2024. In fact, the clowns that were just elected to the House are only going to reinforce the idea that Republicans are not the party of responsible governing. And all that's true if the electorate were static. In reality the Republican's largest voting bloc, the Boomers, are starting their mass die-off. Remember, the oldest Boomers are now 77.
- ModernMech 4y ago
  > Trump lost in 2020 and will lose again in 2024 Indeed he lost in 2020, but he still nevertheless almost became President through illegal administrative tricks, abuses of power, and physical force. Although the 2020 administrative coup failed, the autopsy of that election and the subsequent Jan6 insurrection show exactly the weak points in the plan and why it failed. It wasn't due to some resilient institutional safeguards, like the DOJ, FBI, or even National Guard. All of those institutions failed to protect us. The coup attempt failed because rank-and-file people did their jobs, rather than bend to overt political pressures. Clerks, elections officials, secretaries of state, the VPOTUS - individual people doing their duties and upholding their oaths of office. By and large, since 2020 these people have been purged and the power of their offices have been usurped by state GOP parties where they have control. These places will never again have the problem of elections officials doing their duties rather than bending to partisan political pressures. > Trump is losing ground amongst conservatives, even if only a little bit. If Trump is the nominee, he will have all the support he needs. > In fact, the clowns that were just elected to the House are only going to reinforce the idea that Republicans are not the party of responsible governing. Many of those clowns are in fact insurrectionists. Remember, the purpose of the mob on Jan6 was to stop the lawful functioning of Congress to certify the 2020 election. But what may seem clownish is in fact exceedingly dangerous. Republicans have proven they will use their slim majority to completely stall the function of Congress when it serves them politically. There's no need for a mob to stop the business of Congress anymore, there are some elected Representatives who are empowered to throw a wrench into the whole machine if it serves them politically. The fact that these people were just elected proves their electorate doesn't even care that they're completely ineffective. They can behave as irresponsibly as they like, and they'll be reelected. > And all that's true if the electorate were static. In reality the Republican's largest voting bloc, the Boomers, are starting their mass die-off. Remember, the oldest Boomers are now 77. You're not the only one who notices this. You don't think the rise in pro-authoritarian, pro-political violence, anti-democratic rhetoric from Republicans is a coincidence, do you?
  - taylodl 4y ago
    > You're not the only one who notices this. You don't think the rise in pro-authoritarian, pro-political violence, anti-democratic rhetoric from Republicans is a coincidence, do you? You are quite correct. The Republicans are acting like a wild animal trapped in a corner. The Democrats have been a bit, ah, slow, to update their playbook accordingly. The next two years will see us move from one preventable "crises" to another. They may as well make the most of it - their shenanigans are only going to cost them more conservative moderates. I think this Congress will be the last one where the Republicans hold a majority. The big question is how long will it take conservatives to realize the Republican party is no longer viable and create a new party? How will they gate keep the bozos?

taylodl 4y ago

Trump lost in 2020 and will lose again in 2024. Trump is losing ground amongst conservatives, even if only a little bit. The thing is the electorate is so evenly split, actually slightly in favor of the Democrats for president, that even that little ground practically assures a Democrat becomes president in 2024. In fact, the clowns that were just elected to the House are only going to reinforce the idea that Republicans are not the party of responsible governing. And all that's true if the electorate were static. In reality the Republican's largest voting bloc, the Boomers, are starting their mass die-off. Remember, the oldest Boomers are now 77.

ModernMech 4y ago
> Trump lost in 2020 and will lose again in 2024 Indeed he lost in 2020, but he still nevertheless almost became President through illegal administrative tricks, abuses of power, and physical force. Although the 2020 administrative coup failed, the autopsy of that election and the subsequent Jan6 insurrection show exactly the weak points in the plan and why it failed. It wasn't due to some resilient institutional safeguards, like the DOJ, FBI, or even National Guard. All of those institutions failed to protect us. The coup attempt failed because rank-and-file people did their jobs, rather than bend to overt political pressures. Clerks, elections officials, secretaries of state, the VPOTUS - individual people doing their duties and upholding their oaths of office. By and large, since 2020 these people have been purged and the power of their offices have been usurped by state GOP parties where they have control. These places will never again have the problem of elections officials doing their duties rather than bending to partisan political pressures. > Trump is losing ground amongst conservatives, even if only a little bit. If Trump is the nominee, he will have all the support he needs. > In fact, the clowns that were just elected to the House are only going to reinforce the idea that Republicans are not the party of responsible governing. Many of those clowns are in fact insurrectionists. Remember, the purpose of the mob on Jan6 was to stop the lawful functioning of Congress to certify the 2020 election. But what may seem clownish is in fact exceedingly dangerous. Republicans have proven they will use their slim majority to completely stall the function of Congress when it serves them politically. There's no need for a mob to stop the business of Congress anymore, there are some elected Representatives who are empowered to throw a wrench into the whole machine if it serves them politically. The fact that these people were just elected proves their electorate doesn't even care that they're completely ineffective. They can behave as irresponsibly as they like, and they'll be reelected. > And all that's true if the electorate were static. In reality the Republican's largest voting bloc, the Boomers, are starting their mass die-off. Remember, the oldest Boomers are now 77. You're not the only one who notices this. You don't think the rise in pro-authoritarian, pro-political violence, anti-democratic rhetoric from Republicans is a coincidence, do you?
- taylodl 4y ago
  > You're not the only one who notices this. You don't think the rise in pro-authoritarian, pro-political violence, anti-democratic rhetoric from Republicans is a coincidence, do you? You are quite correct. The Republicans are acting like a wild animal trapped in a corner. The Democrats have been a bit, ah, slow, to update their playbook accordingly. The next two years will see us move from one preventable "crises" to another. They may as well make the most of it - their shenanigans are only going to cost them more conservative moderates. I think this Congress will be the last one where the Republicans hold a majority. The big question is how long will it take conservatives to realize the Republican party is no longer viable and create a new party? How will they gate keep the bozos?