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+1 for Preact. And its overall bundle size is smaller. I'd also recommend Svelte as well. 38.2kB Minified, 13.5kB Minified + Gzipped, https://bundlephobia.com/

+1 for Preact. And its overall bundle size is smaller. I'd also recommend Svelte as well. 38.2kB Minified, 13.5kB Minified + Gzipped, https://bundlephobia.com/package/alpinejs@3.10.5 https://bundlephobia.com/package/alpinejs@3.10.5 10.4kB Minified, 4kB Minified + Gzipped, https://bundlephobia.com/package/preact@10.11.3 https://bundlephobia.com/package/preact@10.11.3

ElFitz 4y ago
It’s going to sound like a trope, but having discovered Svelte yesterday, I don’t understand how I ever could see React as "fine" anymore. I’m just waiting for the other shoe to drop. It can’t just be that simple, can it? There has to be a catch.
- zoover2020 4y ago
  Out of curiosity, and I'm asking this as a curious React dev, what made you change your mind about it?
  - ElFitz 4y ago
    So far, everything I’ve had to type in it was code specific to what I was doing. And that feels nice. The extra boilerplate that doesn’t bring any value to me, as a dev, when needing to update values at runtime. I find two-way binding to just be simpler. Same thing for the components and their props. But I also get why some wouldn’t appreciate having things getting "automagically" done for them.
- jefozabuss 4y ago
  I had the same feeling with Vue2-3 a while ago, I'd say Svelte is relatively similar in feelgood as both eliminate a lot of annoyances to create "leaner" components compared to React.
- tjrDL6MjB2Zwwa 4y ago
  Funnily enough, I've avoided react/angular/vue as much as possible specifically because I've _always_ felt it was fundamentally the wrong approach. When I first discovered svelte my reaction was "thank god someone else sees it too". Over the years I've moved further and further from the web as a result of that belief. I still do web work when needed and as a result I'm familiar with vue and angular but I actively try to avoid knowing any more about them than I absolutely need to for accomplishing the goal.
  - ElFitz 4y ago
    Coming from iOS, with their Massive ViewControllers, and the occasional (usually half-baked) MVVM, it didn’t seem that bad at first. On the contrary; components! Finally reusable pieces of UI! Try doing that when everyone on a team is hell-bent on their One Storyboard to Rule Them Al. Even if you did, @IBDesignable (used to preview components in Storyboards) would just crash anyway. Instantaneous reloading! Even when it takes a bit of time, it takes less than 3 minutes. Pretty much instantaneous when coming from Xcode. So, yes, React too was a pleasant surprise at first. The kind you get when you take of shoes that are just a tad too small.
- crucialfelix 4y ago
  The lack of libraries to work at a higher level, with more powerful UI components. At the moment it's really just Material. (And that looks a bit messy on the inside) We need a chakra or radix or?
  - cageface 4y ago
    I've been using daisyui + svelte and I'm pretty happy with it so far. It may not be as rich as some of the react UI libraries but the basics are all there. https://daisyui.com/ https://daisyui.com/
    - crucialfelix 4y ago
      That looks promising, and not stuck to a single tech (svelte, react). So it's a tailwind plugin that uses apply to create new css classes for components.
      - cageface 4y ago
        Yeah the framework independence is one thing that drew me to it.
- satvikpendem 4y ago
  You couldn't pay me to write in another HTML template language like in Svelte or Vue.
  - heatmiser 4y ago
    Over Preact? I'm a little confused by your comment.
    - satvikpendem 4y ago
      Not sure what part is confusing, Svelte and Vue have their own template languages inside HTML, I don't want to write another `v-for` or a `#if :else` instead of JS/TS.
    - graftak 4y ago
      Jsx is just js with a thin layer of sugar.

ElFitz 4y ago

It’s going to sound like a trope, but having discovered Svelte yesterday, I don’t understand how I ever could see React as "fine" anymore. I’m just waiting for the other shoe to drop. It can’t just be that simple, can it? There has to be a catch.

zoover2020 4y ago
Out of curiosity, and I'm asking this as a curious React dev, what made you change your mind about it?
- ElFitz 4y ago
  So far, everything I’ve had to type in it was code specific to what I was doing. And that feels nice. The extra boilerplate that doesn’t bring any value to me, as a dev, when needing to update values at runtime. I find two-way binding to just be simpler. Same thing for the components and their props. But I also get why some wouldn’t appreciate having things getting "automagically" done for them.
jefozabuss 4y ago
I had the same feeling with Vue2-3 a while ago, I'd say Svelte is relatively similar in feelgood as both eliminate a lot of annoyances to create "leaner" components compared to React.
tjrDL6MjB2Zwwa 4y ago
Funnily enough, I've avoided react/angular/vue as much as possible specifically because I've _always_ felt it was fundamentally the wrong approach. When I first discovered svelte my reaction was "thank god someone else sees it too". Over the years I've moved further and further from the web as a result of that belief. I still do web work when needed and as a result I'm familiar with vue and angular but I actively try to avoid knowing any more about them than I absolutely need to for accomplishing the goal.
- ElFitz 4y ago
  Coming from iOS, with their Massive ViewControllers, and the occasional (usually half-baked) MVVM, it didn’t seem that bad at first. On the contrary; components! Finally reusable pieces of UI! Try doing that when everyone on a team is hell-bent on their One Storyboard to Rule Them Al. Even if you did, @IBDesignable (used to preview components in Storyboards) would just crash anyway. Instantaneous reloading! Even when it takes a bit of time, it takes less than 3 minutes. Pretty much instantaneous when coming from Xcode. So, yes, React too was a pleasant surprise at first. The kind you get when you take of shoes that are just a tad too small.
crucialfelix 4y ago
The lack of libraries to work at a higher level, with more powerful UI components. At the moment it's really just Material. (And that looks a bit messy on the inside) We need a chakra or radix or?
- cageface 4y ago
  I've been using daisyui + svelte and I'm pretty happy with it so far. It may not be as rich as some of the react UI libraries but the basics are all there. https://daisyui.com/ https://daisyui.com/
  - crucialfelix 4y ago
    That looks promising, and not stuck to a single tech (svelte, react). So it's a tailwind plugin that uses apply to create new css classes for components.
    - cageface 4y ago
      Yeah the framework independence is one thing that drew me to it.
satvikpendem 4y ago
You couldn't pay me to write in another HTML template language like in Svelte or Vue.
- heatmiser 4y ago
  Over Preact? I'm a little confused by your comment.
  - satvikpendem 4y ago
    Not sure what part is confusing, Svelte and Vue have their own template languages inside HTML, I don't want to write another `v-for` or a `#if :else` instead of JS/TS.
  - graftak 4y ago
    Jsx is just js with a thin layer of sugar.