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They can monetize it if they want, but I just want it to not be as bad as DALL-E 2. When using an AI, it's not unusual to have to tinker a bit to get exactly w
by FamosoRandom 4y ago
They can monetize it if they want, but I just want it to not be as bad as DALL-E 2.
When using an AI, it's not unusual to have to tinker a bit to get exactly what you want from it. Today, DALL-E cost 15$ to use it 115 times, but 90% of the time you don't really get good images, or necessarily exactly what you want. it means that you're actually paying 15$ for 10 or something image that are actually what you wanted.
I don't want to pay 15$ for 200 message on chatGPT and having to spend time to think about what i'm going to write because i'm afraid of wasting my credit. I might as well spend time thinking about doing the thing myself.
- sho_hn 4y agoA Netflix-style model would be a lot nicer, indeed.
- polycaster 4y agoActually, they are laying out their model quite clear in the sign-up form: - Always available (no blackout windows) - Fast responses from ChatGPT (i.e. no throttling) - As many messages as you need (at least 2X regular daily limit) So I guess this is basically the Netflix style you are asking for. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfCVqahRmA5OxQXbRlnSm531fTd8QBdUCwZag7mI9mrlOOIaw/viewform https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfCVqahRmA5OxQXbRln...
- sho_hn 4y agoThanks! Sounds reasonable.
- ghaff 4y agoThe downside of all-you-can-eat is that it doesn't really work for occasional use.
- limitedsupply 4y agoWouldn’t that require a different approach to paying for computation? From OpenAI perspective there is no difference in spent resources whether you are still tinkering or know exactly what to generate in DALL-E. Which seems fair.
- s5ma6n 4y agoYes, but it is in their interest to monetize this. Many people I talked with are fully willing to pay for it after it goes behind a paywall. OpenAI improved the user experience of their Playground with ChatGPT and not so many people taking out the wallet for DALL-E 2. It is fair to mention that the free alternatives of DALL-E 2 are equally capable, if not better.
- redox99 4y agoDALL-E is massively overpriced for the compute it uses. The current DALL-E price is based on what they think they can get away with, not on compute costs.
- weird-eye-issue 4y agoThat's... How pricing works
- bfeynman 4y agoThere's a lot more to product pricing that compute costs...
- a13n 4y agohttps://corporatefinanceinstitute.com/resources/management/value-based-pricing/ https://corporatefinanceinstitute.com/resources/management/v...
- Mockapapella 4y agoI've found that combining the two AI's gives me more value out of DALL-E 2 i.e. using ChatGPT to generate prompts for DALL-E 2
- rpastuszak 4y agoBtw you can use it for cheap using this GUI: https://dall-e.sonnet.io/ https://dall-e.sonnet.io/
- koolala 4y agoWhy does this make it cheaper? Couldn't this site just be stealing people's API keys?
- rpastuszak 4y ago> Why does this make it cheaper? API calls are ca. 7 times cheaper than credits. (up to 1000 images vs. 150 when paying with credits) > Couldn't this site just be stealing people's API keys? Thanks for asking. Feel free check the source and host it yourself: https://github.com/paprikka/dall-e-ui https://github.com/paprikka/dall-e-ui (takes 2 min with Vercel) Context: I made this GUI for myself when I was comparing SD and Dall-e for a small personal project. Some people seemed to like it, so I shared it. https://twitter.com/rafalpast/status/1591138659297726464?s=20 https://twitter.com/rafalpast/status/1591138659297726464?s=2...
- BaculumMeumEst 4y agoregarding dall-e, eventually we would up with stable diffusion, which lets you tinker to your heart’s content at no cost on fairly cheap hardware. my hope is that an open source alternative to chatgpt will emerge and see similar iterative, community developed models for specific purposes
- SamBam 4y ago> Today, DALL-E cost 15$ to use it 115 times, but 90% of the time you don't really get good images, or necessarily exactly what you want. So you're paying $15 to get 11 great images that are what you want? That still seems pretty cheap. The point is, the cost includes the failed images. If you wanted the cost to only be for the good images, and you get free bad images, they'd simply charge 10x the amount.
- CyanBird 4y ago> So you're paying $15 to get 11 great images that are what you want? That still seems pretty cheap It isn't, stable diffusion + anything v3 or protogen is free Midjourney costs 10usd/month for iirc nearly 2 hours of gpu time and is better than dalle
- speedgoose 4y agoDall-e 2 is completely overpriced and almost obsolete since MidJourney v4.
- Balgair 4y agoHey, I'm getting into using these images more and more. I'm a bit gunshy of all the work that goes into midjourney. Do you know of any good tutorials on how to use it?
- speedgoose 4y agoI kinda learned while playing with the technology. Looking at what others are doing is very helpful. This prompt book has also been the best reference for me, even though it’s not specific to MidJourney: https://openart.ai/promptbook https://openart.ai/promptbook
- Balgair 4y agoAwesome book! Thank you!
- michaelbrave 4y ago
- spaceman_2020 4y agoI'll pay up to $150/month for chatGPT but it's a massive nope if they have a credits system. I'll even consider paying more but if the access is metered, my usage pattern will change in precisely the way you describe. At that point, it's not worth it.
- jadtz 4y agoHow often do you use it to justify paying 150 a month?
- spaceman_2020 4y agoEvery day, mostly as a coding assistant. Been a HUGE timesaver.
- sebzim4500 4y ago>15$ for 200 message The GPT3 api is way cheaper than that, so I would expect the final price of chatgpt premium to be quite low. If it was 15$ for 5000 messages would you still worry so much about wasting credit?