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lol, I agree that it came out of nowhere, but it has been affecting student's learning IMO - not sure if it's been for better or worse.

nszceta 4y ago
Almost certainly negatively. Why learn or put in effort into written text prompts when examiners can be easily fooled with machine generated prose? Those that lack discipline, self-control, and have no desire to learn will eliminate themselves.
- Xeoncross 4y ago
  Sadly. I've learned there is a lot of correlation to lack of discipline/self-control and success in life. Most of the wealthy and successful people I know also happen to go to the gym, monitor their diet, and seem to be able to control their temper in a bad situation. It seems to spill into all areas of your life.
  - nullsense 4y ago
    It's called trait conscientiousness.
- nullsense 4y ago
  My son is 7 years and he routinely asks me "why learn anything when you can just ask Google?". I can only imagine the impact this will have on that attitude over time.
  - draugadrotten 4y ago
    Do you challenge him with simple questions like "How do you know the answer you get from Google is true?"
    - nullsense 4y ago
      Yep. I attempt to educate him on epistemology as much as I can. He's a relatively skeptical kid, but he's also stubborn as hell and he gives somewhat of a recursive answer of "you just Google that too". I try to impress upon him too that some things take hundreds of hours of explanation before you know enough for it to be functionally useful to you, so you can't always just Google everything. You have to learn things and build your foundations up. Alas he hates the idea of learning anything.
  - nszceta 4y ago
    There are at least two answers to that question: 1. Knowing things lets you know more things faster and they stick: associative memories are very durable because they are mostly groups of references to existing objects in memory. Much less novel information that needs to be encoded. Repetition and memorization matters. 2. Look up latency: Same problem as computer cache misses and L1 vs RAM lookup times. You will take 100x longer to achieve the same result by looking up reference material all the time. Also important questions typically have answers from many different problem domains (social, scientific, philosophical, ethical) and its important to have a lot of knowledge memorized to see a solution to a novel problem holistically.
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- tester457 4y ago
  While letting the slackers slack more, it lets the diligent learn more. I do self guided study and it's perfect for generating questions to quiz oneself on based on a text, and create answers based on that text. Doing this prevents the ai hallucinations. Not to mention creating flashcards and simple shell scripts for any task to manage it all. There so many ways this revolutionizes learning for erudite people.
moralestapia 4y ago
How so? ChatGPT is quite popular on HN and other similar tech-savvy spheres, but is still far from enjoying mainstream success. Maybe like 1% of students have used it yet, and for a month at most, so it's quite the hyperbole to say that it's been "affecting" them already. Or, conversely, if this kind of thing worries you today, you're in for a wild ride ...
- londons_explore 4y ago
  It's pretty widespread on tiktok in the student circles I'm in... And the fact openAI is still struggling to handle the load in peak hours 2 months after launch tells me they must be seeing pretty big user growth.
  - nebula8804 4y ago
    Or they haven't properly designed their cloud arch to even moderately scale. We can obviously see their AI and CS talent, but do we have any gauge on their internal systems and IT talent? I've used ChatGPT maybe 3 times since launch and 2 out of 3 attempts resulted in a "come back later" type message. It would make sense to see which accounts are the heavy users and throttle them in favor of lightly used accounts but I guess they didn't think of that or decided against it for some reason?
    - mensetmanusman 4y ago
      In all likelihood GPT is not embarrassingly parallelizable. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embarrassingly_parallel https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embarrassingly_parallel This changes how easy it is to scale.
- zwischenzug 4y ago
  My son's (he's 17) peers are all using it for homework at school. Agree on the wild ride though. This is like the advent of the electronic calculator on maths study, but the difference here is everyone has got it at once.

nszceta 4y ago

Almost certainly negatively. Why learn or put in effort into written text prompts when examiners can be easily fooled with machine generated prose? Those that lack discipline, self-control, and have no desire to learn will eliminate themselves.

Xeoncross 4y ago
Sadly. I've learned there is a lot of correlation to lack of discipline/self-control and success in life. Most of the wealthy and successful people I know also happen to go to the gym, monitor their diet, and seem to be able to control their temper in a bad situation. It seems to spill into all areas of your life.
- nullsense 4y ago
  It's called trait conscientiousness.
nullsense 4y ago
My son is 7 years and he routinely asks me "why learn anything when you can just ask Google?". I can only imagine the impact this will have on that attitude over time.
- draugadrotten 4y ago
  Do you challenge him with simple questions like "How do you know the answer you get from Google is true?"
  - nullsense 4y ago
    Yep. I attempt to educate him on epistemology as much as I can. He's a relatively skeptical kid, but he's also stubborn as hell and he gives somewhat of a recursive answer of "you just Google that too". I try to impress upon him too that some things take hundreds of hours of explanation before you know enough for it to be functionally useful to you, so you can't always just Google everything. You have to learn things and build your foundations up. Alas he hates the idea of learning anything.
- nszceta 4y ago
  There are at least two answers to that question: 1. Knowing things lets you know more things faster and they stick: associative memories are very durable because they are mostly groups of references to existing objects in memory. Much less novel information that needs to be encoded. Repetition and memorization matters. 2. Look up latency: Same problem as computer cache misses and L1 vs RAM lookup times. You will take 100x longer to achieve the same result by looking up reference material all the time. Also important questions typically have answers from many different problem domains (social, scientific, philosophical, ethical) and its important to have a lot of knowledge memorized to see a solution to a novel problem holistically.
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tester457 4y ago
While letting the slackers slack more, it lets the diligent learn more. I do self guided study and it's perfect for generating questions to quiz oneself on based on a text, and create answers based on that text. Doing this prevents the ai hallucinations. Not to mention creating flashcards and simple shell scripts for any task to manage it all. There so many ways this revolutionizes learning for erudite people.

moralestapia 4y ago

How so? ChatGPT is quite popular on HN and other similar tech-savvy spheres, but is still far from enjoying mainstream success. Maybe like 1% of students have used it yet, and for a month at most, so it's quite the hyperbole to say that it's been "affecting" them already. Or, conversely, if this kind of thing worries you today, you're in for a wild ride ...

londons_explore 4y ago
It's pretty widespread on tiktok in the student circles I'm in... And the fact openAI is still struggling to handle the load in peak hours 2 months after launch tells me they must be seeing pretty big user growth.
- nebula8804 4y ago
  Or they haven't properly designed their cloud arch to even moderately scale. We can obviously see their AI and CS talent, but do we have any gauge on their internal systems and IT talent? I've used ChatGPT maybe 3 times since launch and 2 out of 3 attempts resulted in a "come back later" type message. It would make sense to see which accounts are the heavy users and throttle them in favor of lightly used accounts but I guess they didn't think of that or decided against it for some reason?
  - mensetmanusman 4y ago
    In all likelihood GPT is not embarrassingly parallelizable. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embarrassingly_parallel https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embarrassingly_parallel This changes how easy it is to scale.
zwischenzug 4y ago
My son's (he's 17) peers are all using it for homework at school. Agree on the wild ride though. This is like the advent of the electronic calculator on maths study, but the difference here is everyone has got it at once.