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Unsurprisingly, the outage hasn't affected twitters own client. Roll on May 2023. Unless twitter want to block the EU, they will have to provide the same level

Unsurprisingly, the outage hasn't affected twitters own client. Roll on May 2023. Unless twitter want to block the EU, they will have to provide the same level of access to 3rd party clients as they do their own. If the API is down for 3rd parties, but not for twitters own client, that will be considered a breach.

Hamuko 4y ago
Is Twitter actually considered a gatekeeper by the DMA?
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- supermatt 4y ago
  Not automatically, as they dont meet the turnover/market cap requirement - but the EC can still label them as one following market investigation.
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EdiX 4y ago
> If the API is down for 3rd parties, but not for twitters own client, that will be considered a breach. A breach of what?
- Entinel 4y ago
  The EU's Digital Markets Act.
  - EdiX 4y ago
    Does it even apply to something like Twitter? If it applies to Twitter then surely that means it also applies to Youtube? Does that mean youtube-dl must be officially supported? I thought it only applied to digital markets (stuff like amazon, google's advertising platform, etc)
    - supermatt 4y ago
      Actually, no, it doesnt apply to twitter right now (turnover and market cap is too low). But EC can assign status anyway following market investigation. It absolutely does apply to Youtube (finally some way to challenge youtube!), but im not sure how that affects the use of youtube-dl. The DMA covers ten core platform services: - online intermediation services; - online search engines; - online social networking services; - video-sharing platform services; - number-independent interpersonal communication services; - operating systems; - cloud computing services; - advertising services; - web browsers; - virtual assistants.
      - PoignardAzur 4y ago
        > (turnover and market cap is too low) How do you know that, by the way? I've been trying to find this kind of info about Twitter, but I haven't really found anything.
    - rsynnott 4y ago
      The word 'market' here is being used in the same sense it's used in 'common market' or 'free market', not as in literally a place that directly sells things to consumers.
LinAGKar 4y ago
Speaking of which, I wonder if the DMA would finally let us get decent RSS bridges for Instagram and Facebook. At least we already have that for Twitter.
- danaris 4y ago
  Sadly, I suspect (while not having read the DMA myself) that what it would require is some kind of published format for interoperability...meaning that Facebook would publish the FacebookStream API and Instagram would publish the InstaStream API, neither of which would actually look like any existing formats (or each other). Would this work to get the EU to say they've fulfilled the DMA's terms? No idea. But Facebook has yachtloads of cash to throw at legal battles, especially where it sees a potential existential threat.
  - counttheforks 4y ago
    That's fine, a third party will ingest both and publish normalized feeds.
teeray 4y ago
The question is: is blocking the EU a flex that Twitter could successfully achieve? Would there be sufficient backlash against regulators to grant an exemption?
Nextgrid 4y ago
> Roll on May 2023 More like 2027. Keep in mind the GDPR became effective in 2018 and it took just now for Facebook's blatant breach of it to finally be ruled in breach despite this being obvious with just a casual reading of the regulation.
iLoveOncall 4y ago
Did you look at the Digital Market's Act? It's not at all going to be allowing 3rd party clients for services lol. This is more than a stretch of interpretation, it's wishful thinking.
- supermatt 4y ago
  Allowing 3rd parties to interoperate with the gatekeepers own services is one of the core obligations... > Gatekeepers should ensure interoperability for third-party providers of number-independent interpersonal communications services that offer or intend to offer their number-independent interpersonal communications services to end users and business users in the Union. To facilitate the practical implementation of such interoperability, the gatekeeper concerned should be required to publish a reference offer laying down the technical details and general terms and conditions of interoperability with its number-independent interpersonal communications services. > ‘interoperability’ means the ability to exchange information and mutually use the information which has been exchanged through interfaces or other solutions, so that all elements of hardware or software work with other hardware and software and with users in all the ways in which they are intended to function; Maybe you are thinking of something other than the DMA?
kalleboo 4y ago
The "API" isn't "down", these specific apps have been suspended in the developer center, citing a violation of the Twitter rules. Other, non-client apps still work fine. https://mastodon.social/@mttvll/109680889237002903 https://mastodon.social/@mttvll/109680889237002903

Hamuko 4y ago

Is Twitter actually considered a gatekeeper by the DMA?

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supermatt 4y ago
Not automatically, as they dont meet the turnover/market cap requirement - but the EC can still label them as one following market investigation.

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EdiX 4y ago

> If the API is down for 3rd parties, but not for twitters own client, that will be considered a breach. A breach of what?

Entinel 4y ago
The EU's Digital Markets Act.
- EdiX 4y ago
  Does it even apply to something like Twitter? If it applies to Twitter then surely that means it also applies to Youtube? Does that mean youtube-dl must be officially supported? I thought it only applied to digital markets (stuff like amazon, google's advertising platform, etc)
  - supermatt 4y ago
    Actually, no, it doesnt apply to twitter right now (turnover and market cap is too low). But EC can assign status anyway following market investigation. It absolutely does apply to Youtube (finally some way to challenge youtube!), but im not sure how that affects the use of youtube-dl. The DMA covers ten core platform services: - online intermediation services; - online search engines; - online social networking services; - video-sharing platform services; - number-independent interpersonal communication services; - operating systems; - cloud computing services; - advertising services; - web browsers; - virtual assistants.
    - PoignardAzur 4y ago
      > (turnover and market cap is too low) How do you know that, by the way? I've been trying to find this kind of info about Twitter, but I haven't really found anything.
  - rsynnott 4y ago
    The word 'market' here is being used in the same sense it's used in 'common market' or 'free market', not as in literally a place that directly sells things to consumers.

LinAGKar 4y ago

Speaking of which, I wonder if the DMA would finally let us get decent RSS bridges for Instagram and Facebook. At least we already have that for Twitter.

danaris 4y ago
Sadly, I suspect (while not having read the DMA myself) that what it would require is some kind of published format for interoperability...meaning that Facebook would publish the FacebookStream API and Instagram would publish the InstaStream API, neither of which would actually look like any existing formats (or each other). Would this work to get the EU to say they've fulfilled the DMA's terms? No idea. But Facebook has yachtloads of cash to throw at legal battles, especially where it sees a potential existential threat.
- counttheforks 4y ago
  That's fine, a third party will ingest both and publish normalized feeds.

teeray 4y ago

The question is: is blocking the EU a flex that Twitter could successfully achieve? Would there be sufficient backlash against regulators to grant an exemption?

Nextgrid 4y ago

> Roll on May 2023 More like 2027. Keep in mind the GDPR became effective in 2018 and it took just now for Facebook's blatant breach of it to finally be ruled in breach despite this being obvious with just a casual reading of the regulation.

iLoveOncall 4y ago

Did you look at the Digital Market's Act? It's not at all going to be allowing 3rd party clients for services lol. This is more than a stretch of interpretation, it's wishful thinking.

supermatt 4y ago
Allowing 3rd parties to interoperate with the gatekeepers own services is one of the core obligations... > Gatekeepers should ensure interoperability for third-party providers of number-independent interpersonal communications services that offer or intend to offer their number-independent interpersonal communications services to end users and business users in the Union. To facilitate the practical implementation of such interoperability, the gatekeeper concerned should be required to publish a reference offer laying down the technical details and general terms and conditions of interoperability with its number-independent interpersonal communications services. > ‘interoperability’ means the ability to exchange information and mutually use the information which has been exchanged through interfaces or other solutions, so that all elements of hardware or software work with other hardware and software and with users in all the ways in which they are intended to function; Maybe you are thinking of something other than the DMA?

kalleboo 4y ago

The "API" isn't "down", these specific apps have been suspended in the developer center, citing a violation of the Twitter rules. Other, non-client apps still work fine. https://mastodon.social/@mttvll/109680889237002903 https://mastodon.social/@mttvll/109680889237002903