> you're careful with your dependencies and optimizing for compile time, it can be quite good. The same can be said about c++. On the other points, every rus

> you're careful with your dependencies and optimizing for compile time, it can be quite good. The same can be said about c++. On the other points, every rust project I've seen in the wild makes heavy heavy use of macros, and the majority of projects I've used have a dependency like serde or something. If you're willing to avoid procedural macros and large dependencies, you might as well just work in c++, avoid custom templates and enjoy wicked fast iteration times. > So overall I would say it's definitely a factor, but not necessarily a showstopper. I disagree, it is a showstopper for now. It might not be in the future but the situation right now is that comparable c++ and rust projects in my experience have been an order of magnitude in the difference in compile times. My work c++ codebase is a 30 minutes clean build on a 32 core machine with 96GB ram and an NVMe SSD. I can only imagine what an equivalent project would be in my rust if it were as large.