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Terminal is not a graphical environment so why try to make it into one? Isn't the point of terminal to escape the graphics-riddled world

by zokier 4y ago

voytec 4y ago
I share your point of view. Would love to see the ability to turn emojis off in a lot of CLI tools.
junon 4y ago
Depends on your viewpoint. To me, the terminal is a fixed sized canvas (as long as you're not resizing e.g. a window or something). The fact there's auto-scrolling and a backlog are features of your shell, less the terminal emulator itself (even though backlog is actually implemented by the emulator). This comes down more to philosophy than anything, though.
awestroke 4y ago
You don't get to dictate how I interact with my terminal. I like colors in my terminal, I like nicely formatted output with columns, I like ligatures, I like emojis in output.
detrites 4y ago
It is a graphical environment. Various unique graphical symbols are arranged and manipulated across a uniform fixed grid (typically also in colour). The defining feature of the terminals graphics system is this grid which makes both location of updates and the display speed largely uniform quantities. These can then be anticipated, accustomed to and relied upon. Ingesting data is faster and more meditative when free of the additional distractions of more complex graphical environments. These charts present complex information without breaking the terminals unique advantages.
082349872349872 4y ago
Proposed: Terminal is not a graphical environment assent: # dissent: #### (in this thread, as of writing)
nextlevelwizard 4y ago
>Isn't the point of terminal to escape the graphics-riddled world No, or at least not for me. I use terminal because it is the best tool I have found to solve my problems. My problem with graphical user interfaces is lack of customization options and having to conform into certain way(s) of working. In my terminal I can easily construct the the UI how I want and I can use all the tools as they were intended (of course assuming the tools were designed to work on CLI). I like building tiny and light terminal UIs for to help me. Data is the outlier. I can wrangle the data just fine using `$EDITOR`, but I have to visualize it somehow. Often I just end up working in a Jupyter notebook (inside a browser) and lamenting how I don't have nice access to some tool. I don't know if this plotter tool will change anything, but I will give it a go.
rfrey 4y ago
The point of the terminal is to interact with the computer using the infinite possibilities of the alphabet.

Terminal is not a graphical environment so why try to make it into one? Isn't the point of terminal to escape the graphics-riddled world

by zokier 4y ago

Terminal is not a graphical environment so why try to make it into one? Isn't the point of terminal to escape the graphics-riddled world

voytec 4y ago

I share your point of view. Would love to see the ability to turn emojis off in a lot of CLI tools.

junon 4y ago

Depends on your viewpoint. To me, the terminal is a fixed sized canvas (as long as you're not resizing e.g. a window or something). The fact there's auto-scrolling and a backlog are features of your shell, less the terminal emulator itself (even though backlog is actually implemented by the emulator). This comes down more to philosophy than anything, though.

awestroke 4y ago

You don't get to dictate how I interact with my terminal. I like colors in my terminal, I like nicely formatted output with columns, I like ligatures, I like emojis in output.

detrites 4y ago

It is a graphical environment. Various unique graphical symbols are arranged and manipulated across a uniform fixed grid (typically also in colour). The defining feature of the terminals graphics system is this grid which makes both location of updates and the display speed largely uniform quantities. These can then be anticipated, accustomed to and relied upon. Ingesting data is faster and more meditative when free of the additional distractions of more complex graphical environments. These charts present complex information without breaking the terminals unique advantages.

082349872349872 4y ago

Proposed: Terminal is not a graphical environment assent: # dissent: #### (in this thread, as of writing)

nextlevelwizard 4y ago

>Isn't the point of terminal to escape the graphics-riddled world No, or at least not for me. I use terminal because it is the best tool I have found to solve my problems. My problem with graphical user interfaces is lack of customization options and having to conform into certain way(s) of working. In my terminal I can easily construct the the UI how I want and I can use all the tools as they were intended (of course assuming the tools were designed to work on CLI). I like building tiny and light terminal UIs for to help me. Data is the outlier. I can wrangle the data just fine using `$EDITOR`, but I have to visualize it somehow. Often I just end up working in a Jupyter notebook (inside a browser) and lamenting how I don't have nice access to some tool. I don't know if this plotter tool will change anything, but I will give it a go.

rfrey 4y ago

The point of the terminal is to interact with the computer using the infinite possibilities of the alphabet.