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Seems like the German problem could be easily fixed by making delegations expire, like, you know, every other election in democracy.
by hgsgm 4y ago
Seems like the German problem could be easily fixed by making delegations expire, like, you know, every other election in democracy.
- pessimizer 4y ago1) That sounds like a "nudge" i.e. you're already manipulating the system to encourage your preferred outcome.* 2) Also, how are you going to get something like that passed without the agreement of the delegates? ----- [*] It's like when states send out arbitrary letters to welfare recipients that have to be signed and sent back within X days just to knock people off the rolls who aren't paying attention to the mail or are afraid of or don't understand the form.
- anonymouskimmer 4y ago> "2) Also, how are you going to get something like that passed without the agreement of the delegates?" Why would the vast majority of minority delegates be incentivized to let the few delegates with plurality (but not majority) power automatically keep their delegations?
- tgsovlerkhgsel 4y agoAs described - inaction.
- anonymouskimmer 4y agoPresumably those who are delegated to are the least likely to be inactive. Else people wouldn't have delegated to them.
- panick21_ 4y ago> you're already manipulating the system to encourage your preferred outcome. That is a very one sided look at it. Any system encourages something. If you make improvements simply to make the overall system operate better then its not manipulation towards a better outcome. > Also, how are you going to get something like that passed without the agreement of the delegates? That is literally the problem any system of democracy has. Every system of democracy has some established initial rules and must evolve from there. Those that have good initial rules tend to evolve better but many things have an effect. And you do it the same way in liquid system as in any other system, politics. You try to find a group that supports it for some reason, even for not the same reason. You get together those that have not delegated, you mobilize those that have delegated and try to inform them that their delegate is changing their interest and you find some that already have 'super' status that they could actually gain votes in that are now tied up 'bad' delegates. Of course all evolution of rules in democracy is always a huge bitch but that doesn't make liquid democracy systems different form other systems. And just like with every other system of democracy it makes sense to establish best practices and it makes sense to learn and improve the system over time. When somebody knew wants to use it they have a better starting point. So the second point is kind of pointless, just because some improvement maybe wouldn't be adopted in an already existing system doesn't mean its not a worthy improvement. Just as we know Range voting would be have huge improvement over existing voting systems. Nobody sane today would design a first past the post voting system with single delegate districts.
- tgsovlerkhgsel 4y agoI believe that was eventually introduced, but too little too late. It doesn't fix the asymmetry which makes direct participation a rather theoretical possibility.
- im_dario 4y agoIt can also be fixed by notifying about the superdelegate's vote to the people delegating to them, so they can override it if desired.