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He makes a ton of money, but if we look what he’s accomplished since he took the helm at Apple, I think it’s fair for him to be immensely compensated. Many tho

by cmer 4y ago

He makes a ton of money, but if we look what he’s accomplished since he took the helm at Apple, I think it’s fair for him to be immensely compensated. Many thought Apple was dead when Jobs passed. What Cook did is nothing short of phenomenal. I’d argue he did better than Jobs would have done.

ipqk 4y ago
No one thought Apple was dead when Jobs died.
- musicale 4y ago
  More like "Apple Is Doomed Without Steve Jobs" (not 2011 but you get the picture): Elon Musk 2012: https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-apple-is-doomed-without-steve-jobs-2012-11 https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-apple-is-doomed-wi... Larry Ellison 2013: https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-oracle-larry-ellison-apple-steve-jobs-20130812-story.html https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-oracle-... Reaction from Gruber 2013: https://daringfireball.net/2013/02/hammer_nail https://daringfireball.net/2013/02/hammer_nail or even beforehand: Gawker 2009: https://www.gawker.com/5251304/why-apple-is-doomed-without-steve-jobs https://www.gawker.com/5251304/why-apple-is-doomed-without-s... etc.
mullingitover 4y ago
Cook was arguably the real brains behind Apple's turnaround back in the early 2000s - he was a supply chain wizard as COO, and when Jobs was out of the picture it made absolutely zero difference in the company's performance. There's a reasonable case to be made that Cook was actually the main driver of the company's success even before Jobs departed.
- lapcat 4y ago
  Because Tim Cook invented the iPhone? The iPod? Mac OS X? The supply chain is irrelevant unless you have consumer demand for your products. Apple brought back Jobs because they needed his operating system NeXTSTEP. How many operating systems has Tim Cook ever developed? Cook literally never led a software or hardware product team until he became CEO, after which he "technically" led every team at Apple. Jobs was behind Apple II, Lisa, Macintosh, NeXT, Mac OS X, iMac, MacBook, iPod, iPhone, iPad, etc. It's absurd to compare Cook with Jobs. Cook started as CEO gifted with some of the greatest tech products in history. Halfway between 3rd base and home plate, to use a baseball metaphor. Of course he's going to score. Honestly, other than spec bumps such as speed and battery life, I don't think my Apple products are any better than they were 15 years ago. I think the design is actually worse now in many ways.
  - dvngnt_ 4y ago
    M1 was a game changer. airpods are more successful than most tech companies alone
    - lapcat 4y ago
      > M1 was a game changer. The pandemic was a game changer, because everyone had to work from home. (Apple's quarterly results actually showed a huge Mac sales bump before M1 was introduced.) Now with the pandemic winding down, the tech companies are coming back to earth. > airpods are more successful than most tech companies alone AirPods are an accessory to other Apple products. iPhone and Mac set the stage for everything else. That people are touting M1 now just shows how far Apple has fallen in software design. Mac OS X was vastly better than Windows even while Macs were still using the inferior PowerPC chips, before they switched to Intel. I would have never traded Mac for Windows just for a CPU.
      - Jcowell 4y ago
        > I would have never traded Mac for Windows just for a CPU. I question if you’ve ever used an intel Mac and then transition to an M1 Mac. The difference isn’t truly night and day. The fact that I could actually use it as a laptop *and* the fact that I could carry it all day without worry about battery life is enough. For the basic consumer, an M1 Mac or even an M1 iPad is enough to switch from windows.
        lapcat 4y ago
        > I question if you’ve ever used an intel Mac and then transition to an M1 Mac. I don't know why you question this, because I've clearly been using Macs since PPC. To be clear, I've owned around a dozen Macs over the past 20 years: PPC, Intel, Apple silicon. > is enough to switch from windows Ok but basically any reason is enough to switch from Windows. ;-) Whereas I was considering the opposite switch from Mac to Windows.
    - muzani 4y ago
      Yup. I avoided Macs until the M1. Had an old work MBP (2020 or so) that I didn't like because of some hardware glitches, but they patched it all up by 2022.
lapcat 4y ago
> I’d argue he did better than Jobs would have done. At making money? Possibly. At making quality products. Definitely not.

by cmer 4y ago

ipqk 4y ago

No one thought Apple was dead when Jobs died.

musicale 4y ago
More like "Apple Is Doomed Without Steve Jobs" (not 2011 but you get the picture): Elon Musk 2012: https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-apple-is-doomed-without-steve-jobs-2012-11 https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-apple-is-doomed-wi... Larry Ellison 2013: https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-oracle-larry-ellison-apple-steve-jobs-20130812-story.html https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-oracle-... Reaction from Gruber 2013: https://daringfireball.net/2013/02/hammer_nail https://daringfireball.net/2013/02/hammer_nail or even beforehand: Gawker 2009: https://www.gawker.com/5251304/why-apple-is-doomed-without-steve-jobs https://www.gawker.com/5251304/why-apple-is-doomed-without-s... etc.

mullingitover 4y ago

Cook was arguably the real brains behind Apple's turnaround back in the early 2000s - he was a supply chain wizard as COO, and when Jobs was out of the picture it made absolutely zero difference in the company's performance. There's a reasonable case to be made that Cook was actually the main driver of the company's success even before Jobs departed.

lapcat 4y ago
Because Tim Cook invented the iPhone? The iPod? Mac OS X? The supply chain is irrelevant unless you have consumer demand for your products. Apple brought back Jobs because they needed his operating system NeXTSTEP. How many operating systems has Tim Cook ever developed? Cook literally never led a software or hardware product team until he became CEO, after which he "technically" led every team at Apple. Jobs was behind Apple II, Lisa, Macintosh, NeXT, Mac OS X, iMac, MacBook, iPod, iPhone, iPad, etc. It's absurd to compare Cook with Jobs. Cook started as CEO gifted with some of the greatest tech products in history. Halfway between 3rd base and home plate, to use a baseball metaphor. Of course he's going to score. Honestly, other than spec bumps such as speed and battery life, I don't think my Apple products are any better than they were 15 years ago. I think the design is actually worse now in many ways.
- dvngnt_ 4y ago
  M1 was a game changer. airpods are more successful than most tech companies alone
  - lapcat 4y ago
    > M1 was a game changer. The pandemic was a game changer, because everyone had to work from home. (Apple's quarterly results actually showed a huge Mac sales bump before M1 was introduced.) Now with the pandemic winding down, the tech companies are coming back to earth. > airpods are more successful than most tech companies alone AirPods are an accessory to other Apple products. iPhone and Mac set the stage for everything else. That people are touting M1 now just shows how far Apple has fallen in software design. Mac OS X was vastly better than Windows even while Macs were still using the inferior PowerPC chips, before they switched to Intel. I would have never traded Mac for Windows just for a CPU.
    - Jcowell 4y ago
      > I would have never traded Mac for Windows just for a CPU. I question if you’ve ever used an intel Mac and then transition to an M1 Mac. The difference isn’t truly night and day. The fact that I could actually use it as a laptop *and* the fact that I could carry it all day without worry about battery life is enough. For the basic consumer, an M1 Mac or even an M1 iPad is enough to switch from windows.
      - lapcat 4y ago
        > I question if you’ve ever used an intel Mac and then transition to an M1 Mac. I don't know why you question this, because I've clearly been using Macs since PPC. To be clear, I've owned around a dozen Macs over the past 20 years: PPC, Intel, Apple silicon. > is enough to switch from windows Ok but basically any reason is enough to switch from Windows. ;-) Whereas I was considering the opposite switch from Mac to Windows.
  - muzani 4y ago
    Yup. I avoided Macs until the M1. Had an old work MBP (2020 or so) that I didn't like because of some hardware glitches, but they patched it all up by 2022.

lapcat 4y ago

> I’d argue he did better than Jobs would have done. At making money? Possibly. At making quality products. Definitely not.