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What I'm going to ask you is completely dumb, but keep in mind I don't know much of physics. If my understanding is correct, when mass gets dense enough inside

by lp4vn 4y ago

What I'm going to ask you is completely dumb, but keep in mind I don't know much of physics. If my understanding is correct, when mass gets dense enough inside, a star you have a black hole, that would be like a hole in the fabric of space time. Ok, we have black holes in the contemporary universe. So how was the primordial universe a ball of dense, extremely hot, opaque plasma without becoming a huge black hole?

Jeff_Brown 4y ago
+1! Infinite density => way blacker than a black hole, no?
cypress66 4y ago
I have no idea about cosmology, but I think maybe that if this dense matter where everywhere, then forces would cancel out and that's why you don't get a black hole.
willbudd 4y ago
Not a physicist at all either; but on a per particle basis, I know gravity is by far the weakest of the fundamental forces. However, unlike the others, it doesn't have spin/charge/polarity that results in their vectors repelling each other. As such, black holes form when the large scale weak gravitational forces combine into a greater force than the strong short scale repelling forces exerted by the others (and especially so when nuclear fusion is involved). In a hot primordial plasma, the particles are by definition extremely energetic; pushing each other in all directions with far more vigor than the extent to which gravity attracts them. Hence being a big bang rather than a big crunch, I suppose.
deadbeeves 4y ago
Because the primordial universe was in a state of extremely fast expansion, while black holes today exist in space-time that is almost exactly flat. In fact, if the universe really started from a singularity, the expansion was infinitely fast for an instant.
- Balgair 4y ago
  To hedge the next question then: Why was the universe expanding so quickly? It seems that the expansion must have been so fast that it was going faster than light speed, right? Otherwise the very dense universe must have gone black-hole.
  - deadbeeves 4y ago
    The expansion of space itself is not comparable to the speed of light, but yes, I would say it's probable that it would have caused particles (or whatever there was at that time) to spread out faster than light, thus disconnecting them causally and preventing gravitational interaction. As for the why, answering that would involve answering why the Big Bang happened, which given our current understanding would veer into metaphysics. As far as we can tell, it's just what the universe does.

by lp4vn 4y ago

Jeff_Brown 4y ago

+1! Infinite density => way blacker than a black hole, no?

cypress66 4y ago

I have no idea about cosmology, but I think maybe that if this dense matter where everywhere, then forces would cancel out and that's why you don't get a black hole.

willbudd 4y ago

Not a physicist at all either; but on a per particle basis, I know gravity is by far the weakest of the fundamental forces. However, unlike the others, it doesn't have spin/charge/polarity that results in their vectors repelling each other. As such, black holes form when the large scale weak gravitational forces combine into a greater force than the strong short scale repelling forces exerted by the others (and especially so when nuclear fusion is involved). In a hot primordial plasma, the particles are by definition extremely energetic; pushing each other in all directions with far more vigor than the extent to which gravity attracts them. Hence being a big bang rather than a big crunch, I suppose.

deadbeeves 4y ago

Because the primordial universe was in a state of extremely fast expansion, while black holes today exist in space-time that is almost exactly flat. In fact, if the universe really started from a singularity, the expansion was infinitely fast for an instant.

Balgair 4y ago
To hedge the next question then: Why was the universe expanding so quickly? It seems that the expansion must have been so fast that it was going faster than light speed, right? Otherwise the very dense universe must have gone black-hole.
- deadbeeves 4y ago
  The expansion of space itself is not comparable to the speed of light, but yes, I would say it's probable that it would have caused particles (or whatever there was at that time) to spread out faster than light, thus disconnecting them causally and preventing gravitational interaction. As for the why, answering that would involve answering why the Big Bang happened, which given our current understanding would veer into metaphysics. As far as we can tell, it's just what the universe does.