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You know you can just say "I don't care about inequality and people who are doing worse than me deserve it" or even just "I got mine who cares about the rest."

You know you can just say "I don't care about inequality and people who are doing worse than me deserve it" or even just "I got mine who cares about the rest." It's not illegal. Some people might not respect you much but we don't respect whatever this is either.

cercatrova 4y ago
> but we don't respect whatever this is either. Speak for yourself. While it might be harder these days, the people I've seen that followed Walter's plan above were all able to get good jobs and support their families, including people who, like the sibling says, are poor, had to take care of siblings, had overworked parents, and so on. Yes, systemic inequalities exist, but well, an individual can't do much by themselves if they use that as the yoke on which they exist, they are not going to solve their problems or their family's poverty within a few years via voting or protesting, more immediate solutions exist. One must not fall into the trap of learned helplessness, and at some point, one has to cast off the yoke of bondage and begin to solve one's problems.
WalterBright 4y ago
Free markets have vaulted more people out of poverty, by far, than any other system yet devised. The historical record on that is pretty clear. I've run into a couple Afghans who I got to talk with (at different times). Both had escaped and arrived here with nothing but their skin when the US pulled out. Both had founded businesses and were thriving. A third had arrived some years ago, and had become a deca-millionaire. Isn't freedom great?
- genocidicbunny 4y ago
  Have you considered that you might be subject to a kind of selection bias here? You ran into people that were successful enough to thrive here. What about all the others that did not succeed? That had to go back to wherever they came from because their visa ended and they could no longer stay in the country? >Free markets have vaulted more people out of poverty, by far, than any other system yet devised. The historical record on that is pretty clear. And unions are part of that free market. I don't know how much more free market one can get than people coming together to offer their labour in an organized fashion.

cercatrova 4y ago

> but we don't respect whatever this is either. Speak for yourself. While it might be harder these days, the people I've seen that followed Walter's plan above were all able to get good jobs and support their families, including people who, like the sibling says, are poor, had to take care of siblings, had overworked parents, and so on. Yes, systemic inequalities exist, but well, an individual can't do much by themselves if they use that as the yoke on which they exist, they are not going to solve their problems or their family's poverty within a few years via voting or protesting, more immediate solutions exist. One must not fall into the trap of learned helplessness, and at some point, one has to cast off the yoke of bondage and begin to solve one's problems.

WalterBright 4y ago

Free markets have vaulted more people out of poverty, by far, than any other system yet devised. The historical record on that is pretty clear. I've run into a couple Afghans who I got to talk with (at different times). Both had escaped and arrived here with nothing but their skin when the US pulled out. Both had founded businesses and were thriving. A third had arrived some years ago, and had become a deca-millionaire. Isn't freedom great?

genocidicbunny 4y ago
Have you considered that you might be subject to a kind of selection bias here? You ran into people that were successful enough to thrive here. What about all the others that did not succeed? That had to go back to wherever they came from because their visa ended and they could no longer stay in the country? >Free markets have vaulted more people out of poverty, by far, than any other system yet devised. The historical record on that is pretty clear. And unions are part of that free market. I don't know how much more free market one can get than people coming together to offer their labour in an organized fashion.