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if the machine is capable of surviving on its own or in groups then it has right to live. doesn't matter how "intelligent" or "self aware" it is.
by majmun 15y ago
if the machine is capable of surviving on its own or in groups then it has right to live. doesn't matter how "intelligent" or "self aware" it is.
- geoffschmidt 15y agoDoes malaria have a right to live? Are we wrong to try to eradicate it?
- majmun 15y agowell it is hard to tell without predicting the long term future. I mean if we eradicate all malaria something else may also happen as a consecuence that we were not aware now but is bad for us.
- kd0amg 15y agoThat's a rather different standard of right and wrong than you seem to support in your previous post.
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- nextparadigms 15y agoUntil we become intelligent enough to get our resources without hurting any other species on the planet, we'll keep defending our "own right" to life against anything else, and just try to minimize the casualties on the other "side". Until we manage that, as the supreme species on the planet, we will get to arbitrarily decide what gets to live and what doesn't. All the other life forms are at our mercy. At least most of them aren't even aware of it.
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- nextparadigms 15y agoWell, we certainly don't do that with animals. Only after a certain threshold of intelligence we don't want to hurt/eat them, or if they are "wild life", which we generally want to preserve, although it's only in recent history that this has happened. If aliens existed, and came here, I wonder if they would treat us the same depending on whether they are only 2x, 10x or 1000x more intelligent than we are. Of course it's also possible that the more intelligent they get, the more they will want to preserve any kind of life, and will try to get their resources from something else to survive. It should get interesting if we ever develop human brain-like artificial intelligence, and then we amplify it by 1000x following Moore's law for a couple of decades. Kill switches would become useless. We'd just have to teach them to value life more than anything, before it's too late.
- lukeqsee 15y agoRobotics rule #1: A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Laws_of_Robotics#.22The_Fifth_Law_of_Robotics.22 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Laws_of_Robotics#.22The_...) Also see this discussion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethics_of_artificial_intelligence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethics_of_artificial_intellige...
- nextparadigms 15y agoI don't remember now, but I think I heard that law is flawed, and could be easily bypassed, even when used together with the other 2. Does anyone know how that law is flawed? Unless I'm remembering it wrong.
- lukeqsee 15y agoHere's the paradox: a human tells a robot to kill another human; at that point, law #2 is in direct opposition to law #1.
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- lukeqsee 15y agoOkay. Let's follow that through: 1) Plants survive on their own and in groups. Therefore, plants have the right to live. (Don't step on the grass!) 2) Bacteria survive on their own and in groups. Therefore, bacteria have the right to live and should not be eradicated. (Sorry, hand sanitizer.) 3) Cows survive on their own and in groups. Therefore, cows have the right to live and should not be slaughtered. (So much for that steak last night.) So yes, under this thesis, AI & robots have a right to live, regardless of their threat or benefit to society and humans.
- majmun 15y agono no, that was not what i was saying. if you kill a cow it is dead and therfore not survived.
- jemfinch 15y agoIf I kill you, you are dead and therefore have not survived. Does that mean you lack a right to life?
- majmun 15y agoif you kill me yes i don't have right to live.
- lukeqsee 15y agoSo "right to live" = "ability to survive"? I don't think so. That my friend, is the only thing that separates us from pure animals (i.e., morality). (I do not wish to open the can of worms of consciousness, soul, etc., and etc., so, HN, please refrain.)
- majmun 15y agoit is important to mention "ability to survive by its own or in group" to be politically correct, for example little babies usually cant survive on its own but can survive in a group. so they usually have right to live. morality is just another way of saying i care for this baby so i form a group with this baby.