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Want a Viking funeral? Only state that allows it is Colorado
- tmp60beb0ed 4y agoThe Star Wars spoiler was so unnecessary.
- neaden 4y ago"Norse historians claim that in at least one instance, a deceased chieftain’s concubines were slain so that they, too, could accompany him." I think This is a treference to Ibn Fadlan's account and it's important to note 1. They were slaves, not concubines. I know the latter can be a subset of a former but it's important to be clear about it and 2. It was after she was ritualistically drugged and raped by his friends. Here is a link to his account: https://www.mrtredinnick.com/uploads/7/2/1/5/7215292/ibn_fadlan_-_account_of_a_viking_burial.pdf https://www.mrtredinnick.com/uploads/7/2/1/5/7215292/ibn_fad...
- whiddershins 4y agoI read the account and thats not what it says, I think you are projecting onto it. The girl volunteered for example. There’s no way of knowing anything clearly from that account.
- culi 4y agoas pointed out in the source > although it is clear in some places that inaccuracies and Ibn Fadlan's own prejudices have slanted the account to some extent. Seems a bit silly to believe she volunteered for that while also stating that there's "no way to know anything clearly" (except possibly the most absurd part?)
- dsfyu404ed 4y ago>Seems a bit silly to believe she volunteered for that People volunteered for some weird shit back in the day. Their morals and beliefs are nothing like ours.
- culi 4y agoyou don't think it's at all likely that her life as a slave was so misreable this could've been a way out? regardless my point is it's silly to try to reconcile "we can't know anything" with this one details they pulled out. Like why is the single detail that somehow is credible?
- whiddershins 4y agoI wasn’t saying any of it was credible or not credible. I was saying it is unknowable and basically thread hijacking with a random point unrelated to the meat of TFA. I could have written “the account claims she volunteered” and perhaps my comment would have made more sense. Edit: This is applying: Our cultural values and context to: A translation of: A person’s (how credible?) account who was: From a long time ago and: Of a different culture than ours and was: Observing yet a third culture which was alien to him
- neaden 4y agoWhat exactly are you disagreeing with? An enslaved woman can't consent to sex by her captors by definition so it's rape and Ibn Fadlan further mentions her being drugged and then the men drumming on the shields to drown out the sound of her screaming so it doesn't scare the other enslaved women which shows they at least thought she would be screaming and no one would volunteer if they knew the truth of what happened.
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- dylan604 4y agoWinter is coming. When all of the dead become part of the army of the white walkers, people will start accepting funeral pyres again. You wait and see! Also, this reads like an ad
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- krustyburger 4y agoahem “In the former film, the deceased Sith lord, still in his full black armor, is set ablaze atop a funeral pyre on land.“ Anakin appears as a force ghost at the end of the film alongside fellow Jedi Obi-Wan and Yoda. In the case of the others, we saw in the films that their bodies vanished as they died. There is every reason to think that Anakin’s body similarly vanished off-screen and the funeral pyre was just to burn the Darth Vader armor.
- dr_orpheus 4y agoAlso note though that Obi-wan and Yoda are already standing there and force ghost Anakin fades in next to them after the funeral pyre has already started. So was Anakin still slightly alive and body intact when Luke started the funeral pyre and it was only at that point that he actually died?
- lucakiebel 4y agoMaybe the force ghost visibility power didn’t come so naturally to Anakin, maybe he also just took some time to decide on the apparent age of his ghost
- pram 4y agoIt makes even less sense now because they added some convoluted lore around it later. Jedi don’t automatically turn into spirits, it was something Qui-gon Jinn learned and taught to Yoda and Obi-wan.
- Cyberdog 4y agoLiterally 1984, bros.
- d110af5ccf 4y agoWhy is the government involved in this, again?
- williamscales 4y agoWell, I think there is some level of regulation that should be in place. For instance, if I live on a small property next to another small property, it would have a pretty negative impact on me if my neighbor decided they wanted to leave their dead relatives in the open on a corner of the property abutting mine. Obviously that’s an extreme scenario. I generally agree with you that burial is over-regulated (c.f. human composting) but there should be some ground rules in place.
- gggggg5 4y ago>it would have a pretty negative impact on me if my neighbor decided they wanted to leave their dead relatives in the open on a corner of the property abutting mine. More or less negative than it would be if your neighbour was leaving animal remains instead of dead relatives?
- duxup 4y agoYou generally can’t do that either.
- omginternets 4y agoPresumably because it's in the public interest to ensure bodies are properly disposed?
- midoridensha 4y agoNo, it's not. We should just let the Free Market decide how to dispose of bodies. If people in apartments choose to let their relatives decay in their homes, or bury them in very shallow graves, that's their business. /s
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- mjfl 4y agokind of makes sense that people don't want random corpses floating around.
- INTPenis 4y agoNorthern India just left the chat.
- KRAKRISMOTT 4y agoSue the other states for obstructing religious freedom. After all, Michigan permits animal sacrifices.
- galangalalgol 4y agoDo they restrict which animals, beyond (probably) not human?
- ars 4y agoAll states permit animal sacrifice as long as you how careful not to cause unnecessary pain to the animal. Except for endangered animals I suppose.
- karlkeefer 4y agoFarm animals are also exempted from most animal cruelty laws via the magic words "standard agricultural practice".
- karaterobot 4y agoNo state allows my preferred method of burial, which is to have my body and treasure entombed in a multi-level dungeon full of traps and monsters.
- CommanderHux 4y agoWhich state disallows that specifically?
- mcculley 4y agoMy father passed away in 2020. As he was a mariner, we wanted to give him a proper send off. We had him cremated and built a little wooden boat. We put his cremains in the boat and set it adrift and afire just offshore of Florida’s Treasure Coast. We put concrete blocks into the boat to ensure that it would sink. I asked USCG for permission beforehand and they had only reasonable restrictions such as my assurance that we would not leave anything floating afterward. I should write up a blog post. We had a few lessons learned that I should share. Don’t use a flare gun.
- asdff 4y agoOnly 5 states let you compost your body.
- culi 4y ago> California is the fifth state to legalize the practice, following Colorado, Oregon, Vermont and Washington. Under the law, human composting will be allowed starting in 2027. The process involves placing human remains in a steel box with biodegradable materials, which help the body naturally decompose. A steel box? What if I want a tree to grow out of my organs?
- gehwartzen 4y agoI would imagine a burning boat doesn't get anywhere near as hot or stays burning long enough to compare to a crematorium so you end up with a badly burnt corpse floating in the water...
- swasheck 4y agomakes sense. crestone has an interesting sense of spirituality about it. it’s about 30 minutes north of where my family is from and i went there with a group of friends to see what it was all about https://www.uncovercolorado.com/things-to-do-in-crestone-co/ https://www.uncovercolorado.com/things-to-do-in-crestone-co/
- cykros 4y agoWonder where this idea of a Viking burial being this one single method came from. Burial mounds were quite common among the Norse, though perhaps the "viking" part of it is important here, because presumably we're only talking about bodies from people who perished while far from home. In any case, there's no mention of this method on the wikipedia page for Norse funerals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse_funeral https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse_funeral