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I don't know about Tailscale other than it's nice UI for a VPN, but seems like HN folk love it, although i would expect HN to be more cautious about something s

by vdfs 4y ago

I don't know about Tailscale other than it's nice UI for a VPN, but seems like HN folk love it, although i would expect HN to be more cautious about something so important like direct access to your local network

cassianoleal 4y ago
Do you know of another, preferably open source product that satisfies: * Easy installation and configuration * Excellent NAT-traversal even when on CG-NAT * iOS support * Great performance, able to stream 4K video over the Internet I've been looking for an alternative to Tailscale but so far all the ones I found fail in at least one of the above. Edit: formatting
- toxicunderGroov 4y ago
  Which point(s) does zerotier fail?
  - chosenken 4y ago
    Zerotier really doesn't fail any points, it's just no longer the "hot new thing" or an up and comming startup. I moved from Zerotier to Tailscale mainly for the fit and finish and Wireguard. Zerotier accomplished everything I wanted for my home network but was never "pretty." Tailscale is "pretty" and easy to use. MagicDNS makes accessing my devices easy as I don't have to set up my own DNS entries. I moved our entire company off of OpenVPN and AWS VPN to Tailscale. It may not be as cheap anymore, but their networking ACLs and integration with Google/Microsoft for login have made it SO EASY to onboard new people and hardware.
  - cassianoleal 4y ago
    In my experience, and I used ZeroTier extensively before moving to Tailscale, it fails in a few points: * Performance was never quite great, especially when NAT was involved. This may have improved, but I haven't used it in a while. * NAT was hit-and-miss. It would usually work, but would not work frequently enough that I couldn't just count on it. * Not really easy for some use-cases. Main one for me, having a router both for acessing my LAN from outside, and as a gateway to my home Internet (akin to a VPN service like e.g. Mullvad or PIA). It's possible, and I did use it that way but it required some iptables-fu and it would fail some times - when it did, I would lose all my ability to connect back. This is especially bad if I'm traveling, since I don't have physical access to the router to fix the config. This never happened with Tailscale.
sarlalian 4y ago
Tailscale has been incredibly helpful to various open source groups, including the team behind headscale which implements an open source version of the tailscale head server. They also contribute directly and indirectly to a number of other open source ecosystems and libraries. Basically they have done a lot to engender good will from others.
aaomidi 4y ago
https://tailscale.com/blog/tailnet-lock/ https://tailscale.com/blog/tailnet-lock/

by vdfs 4y ago

cassianoleal 4y ago

Do you know of another, preferably open source product that satisfies: * Easy installation and configuration * Excellent NAT-traversal even when on CG-NAT * iOS support * Great performance, able to stream 4K video over the Internet I've been looking for an alternative to Tailscale but so far all the ones I found fail in at least one of the above. Edit: formatting

toxicunderGroov 4y ago
Which point(s) does zerotier fail?
- chosenken 4y ago
  Zerotier really doesn't fail any points, it's just no longer the "hot new thing" or an up and comming startup. I moved from Zerotier to Tailscale mainly for the fit and finish and Wireguard. Zerotier accomplished everything I wanted for my home network but was never "pretty." Tailscale is "pretty" and easy to use. MagicDNS makes accessing my devices easy as I don't have to set up my own DNS entries. I moved our entire company off of OpenVPN and AWS VPN to Tailscale. It may not be as cheap anymore, but their networking ACLs and integration with Google/Microsoft for login have made it SO EASY to onboard new people and hardware.
- cassianoleal 4y ago
  In my experience, and I used ZeroTier extensively before moving to Tailscale, it fails in a few points: * Performance was never quite great, especially when NAT was involved. This may have improved, but I haven't used it in a while. * NAT was hit-and-miss. It would usually work, but would not work frequently enough that I couldn't just count on it. * Not really easy for some use-cases. Main one for me, having a router both for acessing my LAN from outside, and as a gateway to my home Internet (akin to a VPN service like e.g. Mullvad or PIA). It's possible, and I did use it that way but it required some iptables-fu and it would fail some times - when it did, I would lose all my ability to connect back. This is especially bad if I'm traveling, since I don't have physical access to the router to fix the config. This never happened with Tailscale.

sarlalian 4y ago

Tailscale has been incredibly helpful to various open source groups, including the team behind headscale which implements an open source version of the tailscale head server. They also contribute directly and indirectly to a number of other open source ecosystems and libraries. Basically they have done a lot to engender good will from others.

aaomidi 4y ago

https://tailscale.com/blog/tailnet-lock/ https://tailscale.com/blog/tailnet-lock/