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Would it make sense to change the title? I read it to be about people who bought AMD-only laptops from System76, needing to return them to System76 for some re

Would it make sense to change the title? I read it to be about people who bought AMD-only laptops from System76, needing to return them to System76 for some reason.

lwhi 4y ago
Same here .. I think we need a comma. E.g. "System76 AMD-Only Laptop, Returns"
- coder543 4y ago
  No, that would actually be less correct and less clear. "System76 brings back AMD-only laptop" would be an extremely clear way to phrase the title. I'm not even sure the "only" is even that helpful; it could probably just be "AMD laptop".
  - lwhi 4y ago
    Perhaps, but it would continue to allow the poster their own choice of words .. which I think is important.
    - coder543 4y ago
      No... it's less clear too. The verb is never isolated from the rest of the sentence by a comma, but a list of nouns will be isolated by commas, even if the conjunction is missing for brevity in a title. Separating "returns" like that makes it appear even more to be a noun, which is the thing that the original comment was confused by. Correct interpretation of the title relies on the reader realizing that it is a verb in this context, and the comma does not help with that. Given the ongoing mess with the AMD 7900 XTX GPU vapor chambers, I initially interpreted the title to mean there was some problem with AMD laptops, so System76 was offering returns only for those laptops with AMD chips. That is not the case.
      - lwhi 4y ago
        You've completely ignored my point. Take a step back and think about your style of communication. It could be improved.
        coder543 4y ago
        I ignored your point… about adding a random comma to preserve the original title’s word choice? I’m confused how that’s relevant. If the comma makes things less clear to the majority of readers, then it would not be an improvement. Based on the distribution of downvotes and upvotes between your original comment and my original comment (which is at +13), I think most people on this post overwhelmingly agreed with me, for whatever that is worth. Good communication requires figuring out what works for most people, not just one person, and short of running some focus group testing, the vote distribution is the best available proxy for that here, in my opinion. > It could be improved. Communication can always be improved, and I’m always trying. I agree there is still room for improvement. I’m sorry if it isn’t good enough yet.
      - Y_Y 4y ago
        Person holds excessively strict ideas about English grammar, posts.
        coder543 4y ago
        I think clear communication is important, and I initially tried to avoid digging into grammar until they doubled down on a weird use of a comma. There are two verbs in your example, so it’s simply not a relevant example since the second verb is forming a separate sentence. It’s just connected with a comma in order to inform the reader that it is reusing the context of the previous sentence. In this specific example, that really makes it a broken sentence fragment, but it is often acceptable if it is being done poetically, which it arguably is there. I phrased my previous comment carefully. The verb is never isolated from the rest of the sentence by a comma. “Posts” is the complete sentence; it just has an implicit subject and object. It’s possible there are nuanced counterexamples somewhere that I’m somehow overlooking, but none of them are relevant to whether putting a comma between “laptop” and “returns” would make the title clearer. But, if you’d like to try again with only a single verb…
- hosh 4y ago
  Could also be "The Return of the System76 AMD-Only Laptop"
- eatmyshorts 4y ago
  How about "The Return of the System76 AMD Laptop"?
BillinghamJ 4y ago
"Reintroduced"
- teodorlu 4y ago
  I think "reintroduced" makes sense. I thought there were factory problems, a page with information about product returns, and possibly a story around that.
lost_tourist 4y ago
I don't think so, it made perfect sense to me on first reading.
- linhns 4y ago
  Same
justajot 4y ago
Same
malkia 4y ago
Yeah... Imagine "Jedi Returns"
- nine_k 4y ago
  Jedi invest wisely!
- midoridensha 4y ago
  "The Return of the System76 AMD-only Laptop"
AdmiralAsshat 4y ago
Ditto. I assumed it would be an article about some catastrophic hardware fault with an AMD-only laptop, necessitating a recall.
rendaw 4y ago
'System76 AMD-Only Laptops Return' would do it.
m463 4y ago
that's what I interpreted it as too - I thought it was going to be about chip failures.
mikelward 4y ago
"New AMD Ryzen System76 laptop coming soon"?

Would it make sense to change the title? I read it to be about people who bought AMD-only laptops from System76, needing to return them to System76 for some reason.

lwhi 4y ago

Same here .. I think we need a comma. E.g. "System76 AMD-Only Laptop, Returns"

coder543 4y ago
No, that would actually be less correct and less clear. "System76 brings back AMD-only laptop" would be an extremely clear way to phrase the title. I'm not even sure the "only" is even that helpful; it could probably just be "AMD laptop".
- lwhi 4y ago
  Perhaps, but it would continue to allow the poster their own choice of words .. which I think is important.
  - coder543 4y ago
    No... it's less clear too. The verb is never isolated from the rest of the sentence by a comma, but a list of nouns will be isolated by commas, even if the conjunction is missing for brevity in a title. Separating "returns" like that makes it appear even more to be a noun, which is the thing that the original comment was confused by. Correct interpretation of the title relies on the reader realizing that it is a verb in this context, and the comma does not help with that. Given the ongoing mess with the AMD 7900 XTX GPU vapor chambers, I initially interpreted the title to mean there was some problem with AMD laptops, so System76 was offering returns only for those laptops with AMD chips. That is not the case.
    - lwhi 4y ago
      You've completely ignored my point. Take a step back and think about your style of communication. It could be improved.
      - coder543 4y ago
        I ignored your point… about adding a random comma to preserve the original title’s word choice? I’m confused how that’s relevant. If the comma makes things less clear to the majority of readers, then it would not be an improvement. Based on the distribution of downvotes and upvotes between your original comment and my original comment (which is at +13), I think most people on this post overwhelmingly agreed with me, for whatever that is worth. Good communication requires figuring out what works for most people, not just one person, and short of running some focus group testing, the vote distribution is the best available proxy for that here, in my opinion. > It could be improved. Communication can always be improved, and I’m always trying. I agree there is still room for improvement. I’m sorry if it isn’t good enough yet.
    - Y_Y 4y ago
      Person holds excessively strict ideas about English grammar, posts.
      - coder543 4y ago
        I think clear communication is important, and I initially tried to avoid digging into grammar until they doubled down on a weird use of a comma. There are two verbs in your example, so it’s simply not a relevant example since the second verb is forming a separate sentence. It’s just connected with a comma in order to inform the reader that it is reusing the context of the previous sentence. In this specific example, that really makes it a broken sentence fragment, but it is often acceptable if it is being done poetically, which it arguably is there. I phrased my previous comment carefully. The verb is never isolated from the rest of the sentence by a comma. “Posts” is the complete sentence; it just has an implicit subject and object. It’s possible there are nuanced counterexamples somewhere that I’m somehow overlooking, but none of them are relevant to whether putting a comma between “laptop” and “returns” would make the title clearer. But, if you’d like to try again with only a single verb…
hosh 4y ago
Could also be "The Return of the System76 AMD-Only Laptop"
eatmyshorts 4y ago
How about "The Return of the System76 AMD Laptop"?

BillinghamJ 4y ago

"Reintroduced"

teodorlu 4y ago
I think "reintroduced" makes sense. I thought there were factory problems, a page with information about product returns, and possibly a story around that.

lost_tourist 4y ago

I don't think so, it made perfect sense to me on first reading.

linhns 4y ago
Same

justajot 4y ago

Same

malkia 4y ago

Yeah... Imagine "Jedi Returns"

nine_k 4y ago
Jedi invest wisely!
midoridensha 4y ago
"The Return of the System76 AMD-only Laptop"

AdmiralAsshat 4y ago

Ditto. I assumed it would be an article about some catastrophic hardware fault with an AMD-only laptop, necessitating a recall.

rendaw 4y ago

'System76 AMD-Only Laptops Return' would do it.

m463 4y ago

that's what I interpreted it as too - I thought it was going to be about chip failures.

mikelward 4y ago

"New AMD Ryzen System76 laptop coming soon"?