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If you are looking at air to water heat pumps you will certainly be looking at much more expensive installs. Mini splits are way cheaper and don't require hooki

If you are looking at air to water heat pumps you will certainly be looking at much more expensive installs. Mini splits are way cheaper and don't require hooking up to the gas hot water system which can simply be retired to backup heat source. And yeah, cooling is not a thing in the UK, my point is folks are definitely going to be looking toward that given the summers people have been having, increase heating costs will make mini splits a double win. No brainer to me and I bet mini splits will be in limited supply this summer in Europe.

Jochim 4y ago
I'm not sure how they'd work to be honest. The doubts I have about them: * How would the heat be moved around the house? * Obtaining permission to modify the exterior of a multi-occupancy dwelling is extremely difficult. * You'd still require a source of hot water, reducing the already small savings over an efficient combi-boiler. Based on the estimated savings of the Energy Saving Trust, it'd take around 26 years to pay off a £3k install that replaces a modern combi-boiler[0] and that's without the cost of using electricity to provide heated water. As recently as March of this year Which claimed most houses would have paid an extra £80/year if running a heat pump[1]. They could be a good choice for completely new installs and people stuck on resistive electric heating if they can find a way to disperse the heat evenly. I'd bet a lot of money that the majority of properties with electric heating are rentals, good luck convincing a landlord to pay for anything. [0] https://energysavingtrust.org.uk/advice/air-source-heat-pumps/ https://energysavingtrust.org.uk/advice/air-source-heat-pump... [1] https://www.which.co.uk/reviews/ground-and-air-source-heat-pumps/article/ground-and-air-source-heat-pumps/air-source-heat-pump-costs-and-savings-akySY6N5Y6Dd https://www.which.co.uk/reviews/ground-and-air-source-heat-p...
- monkeynotes 4y ago
  Goes to show the huge differences in different countries for energy costs. Our electricity is $0.11kw/h and natural gas is $0.08 so with 300% efficiency vs. gas air furnace which is probably 50% efficient (so much heat gets lost in leaky ducting). Our heat pumps will have paid for themselves in ~5 years conservatively, and we also get to cool the house which we could not do before. Moving the heat around the house requires doors to be open and thoughtful placement of the head units which have fans in them to push the air around. It is certainly not ideal but we are comfortable.

Jochim 4y ago

I'm not sure how they'd work to be honest. The doubts I have about them: * How would the heat be moved around the house? * Obtaining permission to modify the exterior of a multi-occupancy dwelling is extremely difficult. * You'd still require a source of hot water, reducing the already small savings over an efficient combi-boiler. Based on the estimated savings of the Energy Saving Trust, it'd take around 26 years to pay off a £3k install that replaces a modern combi-boiler[0] and that's without the cost of using electricity to provide heated water. As recently as March of this year Which claimed most houses would have paid an extra £80/year if running a heat pump[1]. They could be a good choice for completely new installs and people stuck on resistive electric heating if they can find a way to disperse the heat evenly. I'd bet a lot of money that the majority of properties with electric heating are rentals, good luck convincing a landlord to pay for anything. [0] https://energysavingtrust.org.uk/advice/air-source-heat-pumps/ https://energysavingtrust.org.uk/advice/air-source-heat-pump... [1] https://www.which.co.uk/reviews/ground-and-air-source-heat-pumps/article/ground-and-air-source-heat-pumps/air-source-heat-pump-costs-and-savings-akySY6N5Y6Dd https://www.which.co.uk/reviews/ground-and-air-source-heat-p...

monkeynotes 4y ago
Goes to show the huge differences in different countries for energy costs. Our electricity is $0.11kw/h and natural gas is $0.08 so with 300% efficiency vs. gas air furnace which is probably 50% efficient (so much heat gets lost in leaky ducting). Our heat pumps will have paid for themselves in ~5 years conservatively, and we also get to cool the house which we could not do before. Moving the heat around the house requires doors to be open and thoughtful placement of the head units which have fans in them to push the air around. It is certainly not ideal but we are comfortable.